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536: US Manufacturing Is NOT Dead! How To Make Textiles Profitably In The USA With Annette DeLancey

536: US Manufacturing Is NOT Dead! How To Make Textiles Profitably In The USA With Annette DeLancey

You absolutely can manufacture textile products in the USA profitably, and you do not need to be Nike to do it. The trick is picking the right kind of product (something with a custom element or a premium buyer), keeping minimum order quantities small, and running a labor-cost math that a US-based sewing contractor can actually meet. On this episode I invited my friend Annette DeLancey of She Makes Products back on to walk through her exact prototyping and production process, since I am literally one of her customers for the aprons and handkerchiefs I sell at Bumblebee Linens.

Annette runs CastCovers.com, where she manufactures more than 2,000 SKUs of orthopedic soft goods in the USA, and she now helps other product entrepreneurs do the same through She Makes Products. She dropped real numbers most people never publish: current US sewing labor of about $8 to $12 per unit for a standard t-shirt with a pocket, the 5x cost-of-goods rule she uses for retail pricing, and the state and county programs that will cover 50 to 90 percent of a new hire’s payroll while you train them.

This post covers what she said, what US textile manufacturing actually costs today, and the exact steps to take an idea from a paper mock-up to a production run in the States.

Key takeaways

  • US sewing labor for a standard garment runs about $8 to $12 per unit, before fabric.
  • Small US contractors will run 100 to 500 units per SKU, versus the 1,000+ MOQs common in China.
  • Made in the USA still moves the needle. In a split test Annette ran on cast covers, the “Made in USA” page outsold the plain page 6 to 1.
  • Custom or premium-positioned products are the ones that pencil out domestically, not commodity tees.
  • Chambers of commerce and local Economic Development Councils will subsidize 50 to 90 percent of payroll for 6 to 12 months if you are hiring and training.
  • Price at 5x your fully loaded cost of goods, or you are running a hobby and not a business.
  • Mexico counts as near shore. It is worth quoting alongside US contractors for larger runs.

Can you manufacture textiles in the USA profitably?

Yes, you can manufacture textiles in the USA profitably, provided the product carries either a custom element or a premium price. A commodity blank t-shirt where the winning price is $6 will not survive US labor. A branded shirt with a signature pocket, a specialty fabric, or a custom label sold at a mid-to-high price point absolutely will.

Annette’s own business is proof. CastCovers.com sells more than 2,000 SKUs of orthopedic soft goods (cast covers, boot covers, arm sleeves) all made in the USA, and it survived what she calls “the Chinese invasion” on Amazon two years ago by leaning harder on quality and the “Made in USA” story instead of chasing the price.

The other proof is her customer roster at She Makes Products, which is now full of small brands who could not hit China’s MOQs, needed to launch fast, or wanted to keep production close so they could actually walk the floor.

What does US textile manufacturing actually cost?

US textile labor is roughly $8 to $12 per unit for a standard garment (a t-shirt with a pocket, properly sized), not including fabric. Fabric is quoted separately because it swings wildly, and the more custom the fabric (bamboo, technical knits, specialty blends), the more the labor cost climbs on top.

Two adjustments most first-time founders miss:

  • Size matters. An XXL costs more to sew than a small, so contractors quote a range, not a flat number.
  • Complexity matters more than size. A pocket with darts, a specialty seam, or a stretchy fabric can bump labor 20 to 40 percent.

If you are used to $0.50 per unit from a Chinese contract sewing factory, $10 per unit sounds insane. It only pencils if the retail price supports it. Which is why Annette anchors everything on a pricing rule.

The 5x cost-of-goods rule for pricing US-made products

Price your product at 5x your fully loaded cost of goods, or the numbers will not work. If labor and materials cost you $10, the retail price needs to be $50. Anything less, and by the time you cover payroll, ad spend, returns, platform fees, and your own paycheck, you are running a hobby and the IRS may eventually classify it as one (they consider a business unprofitable for three consecutive years to be a hobby).

That 5x multiple is not a markup goal, it is a survival threshold. Ecommerce founders routinely price at 2x or 3x cost of goods, feel great about revenue, and then wonder why they crossed $100k in sales while only bringing $6,000 home to the family. Annette hit that exact wall on cast covers before she rebuilt her pricing.

The multiple is easier to hit on US-made goods than on imports, because the “Made in USA” story lets you sell at the top of the category’s price band without apologizing for it.

How much does “Made in USA” actually help sales?

“Made in USA” measurably lifts sales, and the effect is not subtle. Annette ran a split test on one of her best-selling arm cuff covers where she published two product pages, identical except that one said “Made in USA” and the other did not. The Made in USA page outsold the plain page 6 to 1.

She also gets unsolicited notes from customers thanking her for producing domestically. One woman recently emailed to “bless” the business for being American made. Those notes are anecdotal, and they line up with the 6-to-1 data and with what shows up in her Amazon reviews.

The lift will not save a product with weak quality or a broken supply chain. It does, however, give you the pricing power to run US labor math without losing the sale.

How do MOQs compare between US contractors and China?

US sewing contractors will happily run 100 to 500 units per SKU, versus the 500 to 1,000+ unit MOQs most Chinese factories require to quote you a decent price. That single difference is why She Makes Products exists: a founder with $3,000 and an idea can start in the USA, and cannot start in China.

The tradeoff is per-unit cost. You will pay 10x to 20x the Chinese labor rate for those small runs, so the product needs to either be genuinely custom or aimed at a buyer who does not comparison shop on price. Annette specifically recommends starting domestic to test the market, then re-quoting China (or Mexico) only once you have proven demand and can hit their MOQs.

That test-first-domestic workflow also protects you from the classic import mistake: ordering 1,000 units of a design that turns out not to sell, and sitting on the inventory for two years.

Do you need a tech pack to manufacture in the USA?

You do not need a tech pack to start a small US production run. A US sewing contractor can work directly from a physical sample (even a paper-taped mock-up) and produce prototypes in whatever base fabric is on hand, usually black. What you do need is uniformity: consistent sizing, consistent stitch, and consistent finish from the first unit of a run to the last.

Tech packs matter when you scale. Once a client of Annette’s is running 1,000+ units per SKU or moving to a higher-volume contractor, she pulls in her marker and grader, produces a full tech pack, and the client keeps that pack “forever” to use with any future factory. It becomes portable production documentation.

The trap founders fall into is spending $2,000+ on a full tech pack before they have proven the product sells. Prototype first, test the market, and buy the tech pack when your numbers say you need it.

What is the process for taking a textile product from idea to production?

The typical prototype-to-production process for a US textile product runs through six stages. Annette walks every She Makes Products client through the same sequence.

  1. Vet the idea. Can you articulate the target customer, the price point, and what problem the product solves? If not, you are not ready.
  2. Bring a mock-up. A drawing, a paper-taped model, or a competitor product you want to improve on all count.
  3. Prototype in base fabric. The sewist produces a first sample in a plain black or white fabric so you can react to shape, fit, and construction without the color muddying your judgment.
  4. Iterate on materials. Once shape is right, swap in the real fabric, thread color, and trim. This is where most changes happen.
  5. Approve a production sample. Get a sew-off from the actual production run (not the prototype) and hold onto it. Never send it back. It is your reference if quality drifts.
  6. Run 100 to 500 units. Sell through, refine the product, then re-quote larger runs domestically, near shore in Mexico, or overseas.

The first prototype cycle usually takes two to six weeks, depending on the sewist’s queue and how many revisions you need. A full first production run typically ships four to eight weeks after prototype approval.

Near shore vs offshore: when Mexico beats both the USA and China

Mexico is the near-shore compromise for textile production that most US brands never seriously quote. It sits between US pricing (high per-unit cost, low MOQs, easy factory visits) and Chinese pricing (low per-unit cost, high MOQs, hard factory visits) on almost every axis.

Annette has a client with roughly 12 SKUs and 1,000 units per SKU (a children’s clothing brand) who is actively evaluating Mexico alongside China. The maths work out because at 1,000 units per SKU, Mexican labor is competitive with China once you factor in shipping, tariffs, and the ability to fly down and walk the floor in a day.

The rule she gives clients: visit your production floor at least once a year, no matter where it lives. If you cannot afford to do that in China, you probably cannot afford to catch the problems that show up (thinner fabric, substituted trim, missed spec) before a full container lands on your dock.

How to get 50 to 90 percent of your payroll subsidized

Your local chamber of commerce or Economic Development Council will often subsidize 50 to 90 percent of a new hire’s payroll for 6 to 12 months if you are hiring and training. Annette is using exactly this to open a new sewing shop in San Diego County, one of the most expensive labor markets in the country (California’s fast-food minimum wage sits at $20 an hour).

These programs are almost never advertised, so most product entrepreneurs never think to ask. The lever is that the county wants to keep skilled manufacturing jobs local and is willing to underwrite the training cost to make that happen.

If you are considering hiring a sewist, cutter, or shop assistant, a single phone call to your county’s economic development office can materially change the labor math. It also opens the door to shared training facilities and pre-vetted candidates.

What kinds of textile products actually work for US manufacturing?

The textile products that work best for US manufacturing share three traits: a custom element, a mid-to-high price point, and a buyer who cares about origin. Everything else is fighting Chinese labor arithmetic on a battlefield where China wins.

Products where domestic manufacturing routinely pencils out:

  • Branded apparel with signature construction (specialty pockets, custom trims, unique labeling)
  • Specialty performance or medical soft goods (like Annette’s cast covers)
  • Kids’ clothing where safety, materials, and story matter to parents
  • Sustainable or ethically produced lines, where the origin is the whole pitch
  • Home textiles sold as gifts (aprons, handkerchiefs, tea towels, custom napkins)
  • Small-batch fashion drops where speed to market beats price

Products where US manufacturing typically will not work:

  • Commodity blank t-shirts and basics competing on price
  • Fast-fashion styles with a 6-week shelf life
  • Anything sold at a hard sub-$20 retail with heavy discounting

Frequently asked questions

How much does it cost to manufacture a t-shirt in the USA?

Sewing labor for a standard US-made t-shirt with a pocket runs about $8 to $12 per unit, before fabric. Add fabric, trim, labeling, and a small profit for the sewist, and you are typically at $15 to $22 all-in on a modest run of 100 to 500 units. That is why US-made shirts almost always retail at $35 or higher.

What is the minimum order quantity for US textile manufacturing?

Most independent US sewing contractors will run 100 to 500 units per SKU as an MOQ, which is 5 to 10 times lower than typical Chinese MOQs of 1,000 units or more. Some very small shops (including many one- or two-sewist operations) will do 25 to 50 units for a prototype or test run, especially if the design is straightforward.

Do I need a tech pack to manufacture apparel in the USA?

You do not need a tech pack for small US production runs. A physical sample and clear direction are enough for most independent sewing contractors. You will want a tech pack once you scale past a few hundred units per SKU or move to a higher-volume factory, because it documents your specs in a form any future factory can execute.

Is Made in USA really worth the higher cost?

Yes, if you sell to a buyer segment that values it. In a controlled split test Annette ran on cast covers (same product, two pages, one labeled Made in USA), the Made in USA page outsold the plain page 6 to 1. The lift lets you price at the top of the category and still convert.

How do I find a US textile manufacturer?

Start with the Makers Coalition, the American Apparel Producers Network, and your state’s manufacturing extension partnership office, all of which maintain vetted lists of independent sewing contractors. Local fashion incubators and Fashion Institute-affiliated programs in New York and Los Angeles also publish contractor directories. If you want a done-with-you option specific to textiles, Annette’s She Makes Products is built for exactly this problem.

How long does US textile production take?

A prototype cycle typically takes two to six weeks, and a full production run of 100 to 500 units usually ships four to eight weeks after prototype approval. That is 2 to 3 times faster than the equivalent China run (which adds 30 to 45 days of ocean freight on top of production), which is another reason “US-made” often wins on total time to market.

Can I mix US and overseas manufacturing?

Yes, and many established brands do exactly this. Run the custom, premium, or short-lead SKUs in the USA, and reserve overseas production (China or near-shore Mexico) for the high-volume, price-sensitive SKUs. The split lets you protect margin on the winners while keeping your best-selling basics competitive.

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535: The Death of Google Search: Here’s What’s Happening

535: The Death of Google Search:  Here's What's Happening

Google search is still up and running, and the game has changed so radically that treating it like the reliable traffic source it used to be is a good way to go out of business. Since Google’s March 2024 core update (and the ongoing monthly updates that followed), user-generated sites like Reddit, Quora, and LinkedIn have jumped to the top of most search results, real content sites have watched their traffic get sliced in half, and small publishers are quietly giving up on SEO for the first time in a decade. On this episode my co-host Toni Herrbach and I unpack what actually happened, why it happened, and what content creators and ecommerce brands should do about it.

We pull no punches on Google. We also cover the $60 million Reddit-Google training data deal, Sundar Pichai’s recent public statements about the “future of websites,” how AI answer engines like ChatGPT and Perplexity are quietly eating the fact-based query segment, and why my traffic on MyWifeQuitHerJob dropped by half overnight and then recovered three days later.

Here is what is actually happening with Google search in 2024, why the old SEO playbook stopped working, and what to do next.

Key takeaways

  • Google has shipped a major algorithm update almost every month since late 2023, and each one has pushed Reddit, Quora, and LinkedIn higher at the expense of independent sites.
  • Reddit jumped from the 80th-biggest SEO site on Google to the 6th biggest in the span of about a year, after Google signed a reported $60 million deal to license Reddit’s data for AI training.
  • ChatGPT and Perplexity are absorbing the “fact lookup” query segment (unit conversions, definitions, trivia) that used to belong to Google.
  • The old EEAT ranking signals (Expertise, Authority, Trust) have effectively been overridden by Google’s tilt toward user-generated content.
  • The winning response is diversification: email, YouTube, short-form video, direct brand traffic, and building the kind of brand authority that survives an algorithm change.
  • SEO strategy has not changed. Answer real questions people ask. What changed is what Google chooses to rank on top of those answers.

Is Google search really dying?

Google search is losing its dominance over how people find information for the first time in 20 years, even though it is nowhere close to shutting down. Search behavior is splintering across ChatGPT for facts and definitions, Perplexity for cited answers, TikTok and YouTube for how-to, and Reddit for opinions, and Google itself is now serving up so much Reddit and Quora content that the “10 blue links” era is effectively over.

The parallel Toni draws on the episode is Yahoo, which went from the default search engine to irrelevance inside about 18 months once Google shipped in the late 1990s. Google is far more entrenched than Yahoo was (Android, Chrome, the Apple search deal), but “entrenched” is not the same as “safe.” Every previous king of a tech category eventually loses it.

The specific mechanism killing Google’s usefulness right now is the trade-off it made between quality and licensing revenue: it is filling the top of the results page with UGC platforms it has deals with, at the cost of the independent sites that used to answer the query directly.

What did Google’s 2024 core updates actually do?

Google’s March 2024 core update and the follow-on updates through April did two things: they pushed user-generated content platforms (Reddit, Quora, LinkedIn) to the top of search results for a huge share of queries, and they manually penalized thousands of independent sites for what Google called “scaled content abuse,” largely aimed at AI-generated content. The combined effect is that many established, human-written blogs lost 30 to 70 percent of their organic traffic in a matter of weeks.

Here is the pattern I have watched playing out across my own network. Mastermind friends who have been running six- and seven-figure blogs for a decade are seeing their best-performing posts drop from page one to page five in a single update. My BumblebeeLinens ecommerce blog has stayed relatively stable, but MyWifeQuitHerJob got shaken up, and I have seen 50 percent traffic drops recover in 72 hours (and vice versa) with no explanation from Google.

The pain is not evenly distributed. Sites in personal finance, coupons, health, and small-business advice have been hit hardest, because those are the exact categories where Reddit and Quora have the most user threads to promote in.

Why is Reddit ranking so high on Google right now?

Reddit is ranking so high on Google because Google reportedly signed a $60 million deal to license Reddit’s data for AI training, and (whether by design or by silent side agreement) has since started surfacing Reddit threads at the top of huge swaths of search results. Reddit went from being the 80th-biggest SEO site on Google to the 6th biggest inside roughly 12 months, which is a bigger organic climb than any single site has made in Google’s history.

The content quality argument makes this even more frustrating. The Reddit threads Google is serving up are frequently three to four years old, often wrong, and increasingly gamed by paid posters and marketers who now understand the traffic prize on the other side. Users type “best budget mattress 2024” and get a Reddit thread from 2021 that recommends a discontinued product.

Quora and LinkedIn have benefited from the same tilt, though at a smaller scale. Quora tends to surface for definitional queries, LinkedIn for professional or B2B queries. Any query that used to be answered by a real blog now competes with those three UGC giants for the top four to six slots.

How Sundar Pichai’s “future of websites” comment lands with content creators

Sundar Pichai recently gave a talk claiming the “role of websites remains crucial” for the “richness and diversity of content,” and that Google search is not going to be replaced by AI. The reaction across the blogging community was some variation of “then why are you actively killing websites by surfacing Reddit above them?”

The kinder read on his comment is that AI needs a source layer to pull from, and that layer has to be independent websites, so Google has an interest in keeping publishers alive. The less kind read is that the message was PR designed to slow the bleeding of publishers who are already talking openly about giving up. Both reads can be true simultaneously.

What Pichai did not address, and what publishers actually want an answer to, is whether Google’s SGE (Search Generative Experience) will keep sending clicks to source websites or capture the click for itself. Every early data point suggests SGE captures the click. If that trend holds, “the role of websites remains crucial” becomes a compliment paid at a funeral.

Are AI search engines like ChatGPT and Perplexity replacing Google?

AI search engines are already replacing Google for the fact-lookup segment (unit conversions, definitions, “who won the 1994 Heisman”), and are eating into the research and comparison segment. Toni and I both now default to ChatGPT for anything factual and only use Google to double-check. That behavior shift, multiplied across hundreds of millions of users, is exactly what pulls the floor out from under search advertising revenue.

Perplexity is the interesting middle option. It answers with an AI-generated response but cites its sources with clickable links, which means publishers can still catch a citation click on queries that used to send traffic. Perplexity’s citation rate is about 13 percent of relevant queries, versus roughly 0.6 percent for ChatGPT, which makes it far friendlier to sites that want to be found inside AI answers.

Google has been widely reported to be considering charging for its AI-powered search experience, because AI queries cost an order of magnitude more to serve than traditional searches. Bing meanwhile has quietly integrated AI answers for free and is picking up market share for the first time in years.

What should content creators and ecommerce brands do now?

The one-line answer is diversify away from Google search and invest in brand authority that survives an algorithm change. Every single one of my friends who has built a durable business over the last decade did it by leveraging one traffic source into another, not by depending on a single channel.

The concrete moves that are working right now for people I know:

  1. Own a direct audience. Email and SMS are the only two channels a platform cannot take away from you overnight. If you do not have a growing email list, that is your top priority.
  2. Publish on YouTube. Video results now show up above blog posts for a large share of queries. If your blog post ranked and your video did not, the video may still be pulling traffic in the top of the SERP.
  3. Diversify to short-form video. TikTok, YouTube Shorts, and Instagram Reels are cheap to test and reach audiences Google cannot.
  4. Build brand authority. Sites like NerdWallet get direct visits because people trust the brand. When a searcher types your brand into Google instead of a keyword, you are effectively immune to core updates.
  5. Optimize for Bing and AI answers. Set up Bing Webmaster Tools. Get your content into Perplexity’s citation pool. Add schema markup so AI engines can extract your facts cleanly.
  6. Keep publishing on the blog. The strategy has not changed. Answer real questions clearly. What changed is which sites Google chooses to rank on top of those answers, and that will keep swinging.

The single biggest mistake right now would be to panic and abandon the blog. The strategies that ranked in 2020 still rank when they get promoted. The problem is that they are getting demoted for Reddit, and Reddit will not stay on top forever.

Google search vs AI search: side-by-side

AttributeGoogle Search (2024)ChatGPTPerplexityBing
Answers factual queries directlySometimes (via snippets and SGE)Yes, but can hallucinateYes, with cited sourcesYes, AI answers integrated
Cites source websitesYes, but declining click shareRarely (about 0.6 percent of queries)Yes (about 13 percent of queries)Yes, in AI panel
Best for content publishersWas best. Now declining.Low citation valueHighest AI citation rateRising but still small share
Best for factual lookupsYes, but slower than AIFastestBest if you need sourcesGood and free
Best for opinion or discussionNow shows Reddit at topSynthesizes but no dissentCites forum threadsSimilar to Google

Signs a Google traffic drop is from the algorithm and not your site

If you were hit by the 2024 updates, here is how to tell whether the drop is algorithmic (which you cannot fix quickly) or something specific to your site (which you can). Check all four before spending a dollar on a technical audit.

  • Your rankings did not drop for a specific keyword. They dropped across many keywords at once, on the same day.
  • The URLs that replaced you at the top are Reddit, Quora, LinkedIn, or news sites, not competitor blogs.
  • Your rankings for e-commerce or transactional pages held up better than your informational blog posts.
  • Your Google Search Console shows no manual actions and no coverage errors.

If those four are true, this is Google reshuffling the deck, not a punishment. Do not rewrite everything, do not delete old content in a panic, and do not chase AI-detector tools. The best move is to keep publishing, diversify traffic, and wait for the next update to swing.

Frequently asked questions

Is Google search dying in 2024?

Google search is losing dominance, not dying. Search behavior is splintering to ChatGPT for facts, Perplexity for cited answers, TikTok and YouTube for how-to, and Reddit for opinions. Google will remain the largest search entry point for years, but its share of the query pie is shrinking for the first time in two decades.

Why is Reddit ranking so high on Google?

Reddit is ranking high on Google because Google signed a reported $60 million deal in early 2024 to license Reddit’s data for AI training, and Reddit has since climbed from the 80th-biggest SEO site to the 6th biggest. Whether by algorithm design or side agreement, Reddit threads now dominate the top of many search results.

What was the March 2024 Google core update?

The March 2024 core update was Google’s largest algorithm change in years. It pushed user-generated platforms (Reddit, Quora, LinkedIn) to the top of many results and manually penalized thousands of sites for “scaled content abuse,” largely aimed at AI-generated content. Independent blogs commonly saw 30 to 70 percent traffic drops.

Can I recover from a Google 2024 update traffic drop?

Recovery is possible but not guaranteed. Sites that build genuine brand authority, add original first-hand experience to their posts, and get cited by other trusted sites tend to recover faster. Sites hoping to be moved back purely on a future algorithm swing may or may not get lucky.

Should I still invest in SEO in 2024?

Yes, but not exclusively. SEO still delivers when Google promotes your content, and the fundamentals (real answers, structured content, authoritative sources) also carry over to AI citations and to YouTube search. Treat SEO as one of four to five traffic channels rather than the only one.

Is Bing worth optimizing for now?

Bing is worth minimal optimization effort in 2024, because its search results have not been reshuffled as aggressively as Google’s and its market share is slowly growing. Setting up Bing Webmaster Tools takes 30 minutes, and Bing sends its indexing signals to ChatGPT search, so the return on that half-hour is disproportionately high.

What is the best replacement for Google search?

There is no single replacement. Use Perplexity for anything you need with sources, ChatGPT for definitions and synthesis, YouTube for how-to and reviews, Reddit for opinions from real users, and Google (or Bing) for local and commercial queries. Serious researchers now stack these tools, one query at a time.

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534: Listen To This Before You Buy From Alibaba – The Ugly Truth

534: The UGLY Truth About Buying From Alibaba That Most People Won't Tell You

Buying from Alibaba can be safe and profitable, but only if you use verified suppliers, pay through trade assurance or credit card, and hire an inspector in China to check every bulk order before the supplier gets paid. Alibaba is a directory of Chinese factories, not a marketplace, so the platform itself does not stand behind product quality. Trade assurance protects you from outright fraud (never receiving the goods), but it will not save you when a supplier ships a lower-grade version of the sample you approved.

I recorded this solo episode of the My Wife Quit Her Job podcast to answer the Alibaba questions I get asked almost every day, including the ones most sourcing gurus gloss over. I have been sourcing from China for Bumblebee Linens for well over a decade, and this is the version of the answer I would give a friend, not the sanitized one.

Here is the full Alibaba sourcing playbook: how to vet suppliers, protect your IP, avoid counterfeit trouble, handle ethical concerns, and pick a payment method that actually protects you.

Key takeaways

  • Alibaba is a directory of Chinese suppliers, not a marketplace. The platform connects you to factories; it does not stand behind product quality.
  • Always filter for Verified Supplier + Trade Assurance before you search. Add Verified Pro if you want a supplier with 5+ years of operating history.
  • Trade assurance is escrow. It stops outright fraud, but it does very little when a supplier ships lower-quality product than the sample you approved.
  • Hire a China-based inspector (services like Qima start around $300 per inspection) for every first order with a new supplier. I still use inspectors even for suppliers I have worked with for years.
  • Never buy branded merchandise on Alibaba. One of my students had Disney-branded goods seized at the US border as counterfeit.
  • You cannot truly protect your IP in China. Sign an NNN if you want, but the real protection is a good relationship with the vendor plus a copyright registered in your home country.
  • Safest payment order: trade assurance, then PayPal or credit card, then wire transfer. Never pay by Western Union.
  • Typical payment terms are 30% down and 70% on completion. Get a sample before every bulk order and give a duplicate sample to your inspector.

Is buying from Alibaba safe?

Buying from Alibaba is safe if you use a Verified Supplier, pay through trade assurance or a credit card, and inspect every bulk order in China before it ships. It is not safe if you search unfiltered, wire money to a random supplier, and skip the inspection.

The single most useful setting on Alibaba is the Verified Supplier filter. A verified supplier has been checked by Alibaba or a third-party verification firm, including on-site warehouse checks, business-document verification, and an assessment of export capabilities. Turn it on before you type your first search query.

If you want a stricter cut, add the Verified Pro filter. Verified Pro suppliers must have at least five years of operating history, so you weed out brand-new operators who may not survive a full production cycle with you.

What is Alibaba and how does it actually work?

Alibaba is an online directory that connects Chinese factories and trading companies to overseas buyers, then facilitates the transaction. It is not a marketplace like Amazon; Alibaba does not hold inventory, does not manufacture anything, and does not stand behind product quality the way a retailer does.

That distinction matters. When you place an order on Alibaba you are dealing with the factory directly, and the quality of what shows up at your warehouse depends almost entirely on the factory you chose and how carefully you managed the order.

Alibaba’s job is to make discovery, verification, and payment less risky. Your job is to vet the supplier, document every product spec, and inspect the goods before you release the balance payment.

How do I find a verified supplier on Alibaba?

Find a verified supplier by turning on the Verified Supplier filter in Alibaba’s search, then opening each candidate’s company profile and reading the verification report before you contact anyone. Every verified supplier gets a detailed report you can click through, and many include factory-floor photos and even video walkthroughs of the production line.

Inside a supplier’s profile, click into Company Overview and check the certifications, years in business, staff count, and any factory reviews. When I was recently looking for handkerchief factories, several suppliers had a full video tour of their manufacturing floor, which is a strong trust signal.

If a candidate passes the profile check, message them and ask for a sample. Never place a bulk order with a factory you have not sampled first, no matter how good the pictures look.

How does Alibaba Trade Assurance actually protect you?

Trade Assurance is an escrow service. When you check the Trade Assurance box, Alibaba holds your payment and only releases it to the supplier after you confirm receipt of the goods. It reliably protects you from outright fraud, meaning cases where the supplier disappears with your money and ships nothing.

Trade Assurance protects you much less than most buyers assume when the goods arrive but are wrong. Alibaba will help facilitate the dispute, but in my experience they rarely force a refund when the product is a lower-quality version of the sample you approved. The dispute process leans on your ability to prove the discrepancy, which is very hard after the fact.

I had a student who needed inventory fast for the holidays and used a brand-new supplier. Her sample looked good, so she placed a large order believing Trade Assurance protected her. The bulk order shipped as a completely different product, she complained to Alibaba, and Alibaba mediated but did not refund the money.

Why you should always hire an inspector in China

Hiring a third-party inspector in China (services like Qima start around $300 per inspection) is the single highest-return step in the whole Alibaba workflow, because it catches quality problems before the supplier gets paid. The inspector visits the factory, checks the goods against your approved sample, and gives you a report you can use to hold the payment.

For the student I mentioned above, a $300 inspection would have caught the wrong product on the factory floor and saved her thousands of dollars. Once the goods ship and Alibaba mediates a Trade Assurance dispute, the leverage is gone.

I still hire an inspector for every single order at Bumblebee Linens, even with suppliers I have used for many years. It keeps suppliers on their toes and it is cheap insurance against a bad batch making it into my warehouse.

How to negotiate the minimum order quantity (MOQ)

Every Alibaba supplier has a minimum order quantity, and it is negotiable to a point. You can usually push a supplier down 20 to 40 percent from their listed MOQ, but you cannot talk a factory that makes 100,000-unit runs for Walmart into a 500-unit test order.

Different factories cater to different buyer sizes, so the right move when an MOQ is wildly out of range is to walk away and find a smaller factory rather than negotiate. I once accidentally contacted a Walmart supplier with a 100,000-unit MOQ and did not even bother replying; they were clearly out of my league.

The first supplier I ever worked with had a 200-piece MOQ, which is a great range for a first-time buyer testing a product. If a supplier’s MOQ is way too big, that supplier is not your supplier.

How to contact Alibaba suppliers the right way (with a sample script)

Suppliers respect buyers who sound like they know what they are doing, so your first message should project confidence, name a specific product, and ask for pricing at multiple quantity tiers. Never open by telling a supplier this is your first order or that you need handholding.

Here is the exact script I use:

Hi, my name is Steve and I am a buyer for Bumblebee Linens, a store in the US that sells handkerchiefs. We are interested in carrying many of the items you offer. I would like to get pricing and availability for the following items. Please send pricing in 500, 1,000, and 5,000 unit quantities. If you could also send your catalog, lead times, and minimum order quantity, we would greatly appreciate it.

Send that message to as many qualifying suppliers as you can find, then request a sample from the ones who reply with the right combination of price, lead time, and MOQ. You want the sample for two reasons: to confirm the product quality, and to hand a duplicate to your inspector so they know what to check for.

Alibaba payment methods ranked from safest to riskiest

The safest way to pay an Alibaba supplier is Trade Assurance, followed by credit card or PayPal, followed by wire transfer. Never pay a Chinese supplier by Western Union, and never send funds outside of Alibaba on your very first order with a new factory.

Payment methodProtection levelTypical costWhen to use it
Trade AssuranceHigh. Escrow protects against non-delivery.Slightly higher unit price.Every first order with a new supplier.
Credit card / PayPalMedium. Chargeback and dispute rights.Supplier passes 3-4% fees to you.Established relationships where you want dispute rights.
Wire transfer (T/T)Low. No recourse once the funds land.Cheapest. Standard for ongoing orders.Repeat orders with trusted suppliers only.
Western UnionNone. Zero recourse.Cheap.Never. If a supplier insists on Western Union, walk away.

Trade Assurance always costs slightly more, because the escrow layer isn’t free. That premium is worth it on the first order. After a supplier has proven itself over several successful bulk runs, wiring becomes reasonable, which is why wire is the most common payment method in the industry even though it is technically the least safe.

How to protect your intellectual property on Alibaba

You cannot fully protect intellectual property when manufacturing in China, so the practical protection is three layers: a written statement (or NNN agreement) from the supplier, a strong personal relationship with the factory, and a copyright or trademark registered in your home country so you can enforce takedowns on Amazon and eBay.

An NNN (non-disclosure, non-use, non-circumvention) agreement is the type of contract commonly used to protect IP when engaging overseas suppliers. The honest problem is that NNNs are very hard to enforce inside China, so their real value is often signalling rather than legal recourse.

What I usually do is have a direct conversation with the supplier about IP and ask them to email me a statement saying they will not resell my design to a competitor. Just having the conversation reduces the odds of IP theft, and it is a cheaper and faster deterrent than the paperwork alone.

The single most useful step is registering a copyright in your own country, because it gives you a real enforcement path on marketplaces where the copycat product actually gets sold. Amazon in particular is very good at removing listings that infringe on a registered copyright, and that is where copycat traffic usually goes.

Are there ethical concerns when sourcing from Alibaba?

Yes, some Chinese factories still use child labor, forced labor, or unsafe working conditions, so ethical sourcing on Alibaba means filtering for verified suppliers and then checking each candidate’s third-party certifications before you place a bulk order. Certifications to look for include BSCI (Business Social Compliance Initiative), ISO 14001 (environmental management), and SA 8000 (social accountability), which cover child labor, forced labor, health and safety, and discrimination.

Ask the supplier directly for copies of their certifications, then verify the certificate numbers on the issuing body’s website. Certifications can be forged, so the free verification step is worth the ten minutes.

The gold-standard step, if the order size justifies it, is to visit the factory in person or send an inspector who can also perform a social-compliance audit. Certifications and photos only get you so far; a real audit is the only way to be confident about working conditions.

What about hidden fees and cost surprises on Alibaba?

There are no true hidden fees on Alibaba itself, but the total landed cost of a first-time import almost always ends up higher than the pro forma invoice, because of communication mishaps, product-spec surprises, and small price creep once production has started. Budget a 10 to 20 percent cost buffer on any first-time order with a new supplier.

A common trap is negotiating a lower unit price after your order volume has grown. We renegotiated price with one of our suppliers after our orders were 20x our original run, and the supplier quietly cut fabric weight to hit the new number. The handkerchiefs came back so thin they were unsellable, even though we had assumed same quality was implicit.

The fix is to document every product spec in writing (fabric weight, dimensions, packaging, materials, tolerances) and reference the exact spec sheet in every quote. If the supplier tries to jack up the price after production starts, or the quality drifts on a renegotiation, your spec sheet is what you fall back on.

Should I use my supplier’s freight forwarder or my own?

Use your own freight forwarder whenever the order is large enough or the shipment is complex enough that communication issues would hurt, because your own forwarder will keep you in the loop when things go wrong. Using the supplier’s shipping service is fine for small or routine shipments, and we have used our supplier’s freight arrangement before with no problems.

The reason to prefer an independent forwarder is the communication gap when something breaks. One of our shipments was on a boat that had an accident at sea and many containers were damaged. Our forwarder gave us updates all the way through the incident; a factory-side shipping agent would very likely have been a language-barrier disaster in that same moment.

For anything over a few pallets, or for time-sensitive inventory, spend the small premium for your own forwarder. The peace of mind on the one shipment per year that goes sideways will pay for itself many times over.

The step-by-step Alibaba sourcing workflow

Here is the workflow I follow for every new product, from search to delivery. It is the same workflow I teach my students, and it is designed to catch problems before money moves.

  1. Filter first. Turn on Verified Supplier and Trade Assurance in the Alibaba search before you type a single query. Add Verified Pro if you want a five-year track record.
  2. Vet supplier profiles. Open Company Overview on every candidate. Check certifications, years in business, staff count, factory photos, and any video tours.
  3. Send the confident intro message. Use the script above. Ask for pricing at three quantity tiers, lead time, and MOQ.
  4. Order a sample. Always. Get a spare and set it aside for your inspector.
  5. Negotiate MOQ and unit price. Push the MOQ down 20 to 40 percent if it is close, walk away if it is wildly out of range.
  6. Place the bulk order with Trade Assurance. Typical terms: 30% deposit up front, 70% on completion before shipment.
  7. Line up your freight forwarder. While production runs. Get quotes for door-to-door delivery, customs, and destination charges.
  8. Hire an inspector in China. Book a pre-shipment inspection through a firm like Qima. Give them your spec sheet and your spare sample.
  9. Release the balance payment only after a clean inspection report. If the report flags issues, use it as leverage before you release funds. This is where inspectors pay for themselves.
  10. Ship and reconcile. Confirm delivery, count units, and compare landed cost to your pro forma. Log any variances for the next order.

Frequently asked questions

Is Alibaba legit or a scam?

Alibaba is a legitimate company and the world’s largest B2B directory of Chinese suppliers, but the platform is a directory rather than a retailer, so the safety of any individual order depends on the supplier you choose and the protections (verified supplier, trade assurance, third-party inspection) you use. Follow the standard safety protocols and outright scams are rare.

What is the minimum order quantity on Alibaba?

Minimum order quantities on Alibaba vary widely by factory, from around 100 to 500 units for small factories serving small brands to 50,000+ units for factories serving big-box retailers. Most first-time buyers should target suppliers with MOQs of a few hundred to a few thousand units, and treat any MOQ over 10,000 units on a first order as a signal you are talking to the wrong factory.

Do Alibaba suppliers really steal designs and copy products?

Yes, some Alibaba suppliers do copy designs and resell them to other buyers, and there is no truly reliable way to stop this from inside China. The best defenses are choosing verified suppliers with a track record, building a real personal relationship with the factory, adding an NNN or written statement, and registering a copyright or trademark in your home country so you can force takedowns on Amazon, eBay, and other marketplaces.

How much does an Alibaba inspection cost?

A standard pre-shipment inspection in China runs around $300 per man-day through services like Qima. Given that a single bad container can be tens of thousands of dollars of unsellable inventory, this is the cheapest insurance in the entire sourcing workflow, and I still use inspectors even on suppliers I have worked with for years.

What is the difference between a verified supplier and a gold supplier on Alibaba?

A Verified Supplier has passed third-party checks on their business documents, warehouse, and export capabilities, while a Gold Supplier is a paid Alibaba membership tier that suppliers subscribe to for higher visibility. Verified Supplier is the more meaningful trust signal because it involves an actual on-site or documentary audit; Gold Supplier alone does not guarantee anything about product quality.

Can I buy small quantities on Alibaba, or do I need to order in bulk?

You can buy small quantities on Alibaba through the Ready-to-Ship section (in-stock, small MOQs) or through Alibaba’s sister site AliExpress, but custom-branded product runs typically require the factory’s normal MOQ, which starts around a few hundred units for smaller factories. Samples are always available on request and are the right way to test any supplier before committing to a bulk order.

What are the safest ways to pay an Alibaba supplier?

The safest payment methods on Alibaba, in order, are Trade Assurance (escrow), credit card or PayPal (chargeback and dispute rights), and wire transfer (cheapest but no recourse). Never pay a supplier by Western Union, and never send funds outside the Alibaba platform on your first order with a new factory.

Do I need a business license to buy from Alibaba?

You do not need a business license to open an Alibaba buyer account or place an order, but you will need proper business registration and any relevant import documentation to legally sell the goods in your home country, and to clear US customs on a commercial-quantity shipment. Consult a customs broker or import attorney if you are not sure what your product requires.

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533: Google Is Out, Pinterest Is In: Here’s The Latest On Pinterest With Toni Herrbach

533: Google Is Out, Pinterest Is In: Here's The Latest On Pinterest With Toni Herrbach

The 2024 Pinterest strategy that actually works comes down to four things: create multiple fresh pin images for the same URL, publish short-form video (with a real graphic cover, not a screen grab), schedule directly inside Pinterest, and stop looping the same image to five different boards. Pinterest has quietly rewritten its playbook over the last 12 months, and most publishers who “gave up on Pinterest” a while ago are running strategies Pinterest now punishes. This episode is a fresh audit of what is currently working, recorded with my co-host Toni Herrbach, who has been running Pinterest strategies for content sites for more than a decade.

Pinterest is having a moment right now precisely because Google is not. The latest Google core updates have pushed independent bloggers off page one, and traffic-starved creators are flooding back to Pinterest asking whether it can pick up the slack.

Toni’s answer is yes, if you actually update your workflow to how Pinterest works in 2024. We spend most of the episode on the specific changes.

Here is what has changed on Pinterest, what the new pinning strategy looks like, and how to use short-form video on Pinterest without wasting your first 10 posts (which is exactly what I did).

Key takeaways

  • The new fresh-pin rule: pin the same URL with a different image every time. Multiple images to one URL is now rewarded, not penalized.
  • The old looping strategy (same image pinned to five boards, then re-pinned six months later) is now actively punished.
  • Short-form video on Pinterest needs a real graphic cover, not a screen grab of your face. Toni’s test: same content, graphic cover got 115 views versus 23 for the screen grab.
  • Schedule pins directly inside Pinterest (business accounts can schedule up to 100 pins), not through unofficial third-party tools.
  • Faces do not perform on business-topic accounts. Use product shots, text overlays, or scene photography instead.
  • Pinterest lead magnets are a huge and underused email-list channel. Toni’s Christmas printable pulled 4,000 email subscribers in a single holiday season.
  • Pinterest is a search engine, not a social network. Optimize for keywords, not for engagement.

Is Pinterest still worth it in 2024?

Pinterest is worth it in 2024 for any content site or ecommerce brand whose visual content matches a Pinterest audience (home, food, DIY, apparel, decor, printables, business how-to). Traffic is up for creators who have adopted the new fresh-pin workflow, and Pinterest is one of the very few platforms where a single well-optimized pin can drive traffic for years.

The reason Pinterest is suddenly on everyone’s radar again is that Google’s 2024 updates flattened a lot of small blogs, and Pinterest is the closest thing to a “second search engine” a content site can lean on. Pinterest itself has publicly positioned as a visual search engine (not a social network), which lines up perfectly with how the audience uses it: to research something they plan to do, buy, or make.

The catch is that Pinterest today looks very different from Pinterest three years ago. If you last logged in a year ago, you will not recognize the app, and the strategies most tutorials still teach are actively hurting accounts.

What changed on Pinterest in the last 12 months?

Three concrete changes reshaped Pinterest between mid-2023 and mid-2024. Each one flips a rule that used to be gospel.

  1. Fresh pins replaced looping. The old strategy was to create one pin image, pin it to five relevant boards, and re-pin the same image every six months. Pinterest now wants a different image for the same URL, and it does not care how many images you use.
  2. Short-form video became a first-class format. Pinterest heavily favors idea pins and video pins in the feed, and creators who upload directly from Pinterest’s app (not through third-party schedulers) get better distribution.
  3. Business account scheduling replaced third-party tools. Pinterest business accounts can now schedule up to 100 pins natively, and Pinterest treats natively-scheduled pins better than pins pushed through unauthorized third-party tools like Repurpose.io.

Tailwind is still an authorized Pinterest partner, so scheduling through Tailwind is safe, though Toni’s view is that Tailwind’s advantages have eroded and native scheduling from your business account is usually the right call.

The interface changes are the reason most returning users feel lost. Boards are buried under three clicks, the home feed has been restructured, and the mobile app now looks and behaves very differently from the desktop site. If you last used Pinterest a year ago, plan to relearn the navigation.

The 2024 fresh-pin strategy explained

The 2024 Pinterest strategy is to publish the same URL multiple times with a different image every time, spread across your relevant boards, and rotate templates so no two pins look alike. The old spam rule (same image, five boards, six months apart) is what Pinterest was designed to reward, and it is now what Pinterest was rewritten to punish.

Practical execution:

  • Design 5 to 10 unique pin images per blog post. Use Canva templates so this takes 60 seconds each, not 20 minutes each.
  • Vary the visual pattern. One with a photo on top and text on bottom, one with text overlaid on the image, one with a plain-colored background and headline only, one with a quote pulled from the article.
  • Rotate the copy on each image. Same URL, but pull a different headline, subheading, or angle each time. This is how Pinterest tests which framing resonates with which audience segment.
  • Pin to all relevant boards over time. Same URL to a manufacturing board, a business-startup board, and an ecommerce board is fine, provided each pin has a different image.
  • Stop looping. Do not re-pin the same image six months later. Publish new images instead.

Toni’s own workflow is to bump every blog post from 2 or 3 pin images up to 5, and she is aiming for 10 per post over time. Realistic time cost with pre-built Canva templates is about 5 minutes per fresh image.

How to do short-form video on Pinterest correctly

Short-form video on Pinterest works, and the single biggest lever is the pin cover. A designed graphic cover (title, thumbnail-quality image) outperforms a raw video screen grab by 3 to 5 times in Toni’s tests. My own first video pins failed for exactly this reason: I uploaded reels with my face as the still frame, and one of them got a single view.

The rules that separate a short that flops from a short that pulls traffic:

  • Design a real cover image. Same approach as a YouTube thumbnail. Big text, high contrast, a compelling visual.
  • No faces on business-topic accounts. Faces work on beauty, fashion, hair, and travel accounts. On business, finance, and how-to accounts, faces underperform product or scene shots.
  • Upload directly through Pinterest’s mobile app. Native uploads (especially from mobile) get better distribution than pins pushed through unauthorized schedulers.
  • Link the pin to your best long-form asset. A pin that clicks through to your YouTube video (which Pinterest is happy to link out to) is a way to build your subscriber base for free.
  • Repurpose your existing shorts. Every TikTok, Reel, or YouTube Short you already made is a Pinterest video pin waiting to happen. The content is created. You just need the graphic cover and the upload.

Toni’s cover-image split test is the clearest data: identical short-form video, same URL, uploaded twice. Screen-grab cover got 23 views.

Designed graphic cover got 115 views. That is a 5x lift from a 60-second Canva design job.

Pinterest for lead generation: the underused email channel

Pinterest is one of the best (and cheapest) email-list channels a content site can use, and almost nobody talks about it. The mechanic is straightforward: create a lead magnet aligned to a Pinterest-friendly topic (a printable, a checklist, a template), pin multiple images pointing to the opt-in page, and let Pinterest search deliver the traffic for years.

Toni’s Christmas Hershey bar printable is the case study. Users download a wrapper that turns a Hershey bar into a snowman or reindeer for teacher gifts and classroom passes. It pulled 4,000 new email subscribers in a single holiday season, and it has been running on Pinterest with no paid promotion for years.

The retention math is what makes this compelling. Even after filtering out the seasonal opt-ins who never engage again, Toni retains 50 to 60 percent of Pinterest-sourced email subscribers over six months, all at zero acquisition cost. Compared to $2 to $5 per email subscriber on Meta ads, Pinterest lead generation is one of the highest-ROI channels available to a content site.

How much time does Pinterest actually take per week?

A working Pinterest strategy for a content site takes about 45 to 60 minutes per week, once you have Canva templates set up. That budget covers designing 5 to 10 fresh pins, scheduling them natively inside Pinterest, and browsing Pinterest Trends for the coming season’s keywords.

The time saver is templates. Build 5 to 10 Canva templates in your brand colors, save your palette, and each new pin becomes a 60-second swap of the headline and background image.

Without templates, Pinterest is a 5+ hour weekly commitment. With templates, it is a scheduled hour on a Monday morning.

If you are just resuscitating a dormant account, plan on 3 to 4 hours the first week to set up templates, audit your existing pins, and schedule the first batch. After that, the maintenance rhythm is closer to 45 minutes.

Pinterest vs Google search: what each is best for now

AttributePinterest (2024)Google Search (2024)
Traffic directionRising for creators using fresh pinsDeclining for independent blogs
Best forVisual, evergreen, planning-intent queriesCommercial, local, and news queries
Content lifespanYears (pins compound)Days to months (subject to updates)
Effort per post5 to 10 fresh images per URLOne canonical page per URL
Publisher controlYou choose the images and copyYou choose the copy, algorithm chooses the visibility
Weekly time cost~45 to 60 minutes with templatesVariable (SEO, updates, backlinks)
Best content typesHow-to, printables, decor, food, apparelReviews, comparisons, tutorials, buying guides

The right posture for a content site in 2024 is to run both, not to abandon one for the other. Google is unpredictable but still large. Pinterest is smaller but more within your control and its traffic compounds.

Common Pinterest mistakes that will kill your reach

Six mistakes will destroy Pinterest reach faster than anything else, and every one of them is fixable in a single afternoon.

  1. Looping identical images. Same image pinned to five boards on the same day is spam under the 2024 rules. Fresh images only.
  2. Using your face on a business account. Faces underperform on business, finance, and how-to niches. Use product, scene, or text-overlay images.
  3. Screen-grabbing your video as the cover. Design a real graphic cover, the way you would for YouTube.
  4. Scheduling through unauthorized tools. Only Tailwind is a Pinterest-authorized scheduler. Everything else risks distribution penalties.
  5. Ignoring keywords in pin titles and descriptions. Pinterest is a search engine. Keyword-optimize like it is Google.
  6. Pinning three times, then quitting. Pinterest rewards consistency. A dead account will not rank a pin, no matter how good the image is.

Frequently asked questions

Is Pinterest a good traffic source for blogs in 2024?

Pinterest is one of the best traffic sources for blogs in 2024, especially for visual-friendly niches like food, home, DIY, decor, apparel, and printables. As Google’s 2024 core updates continue to push independent blogs down the results, Pinterest has become the most reliable second traffic channel for content sites.

How many pins should I make per blog post in 2024?

Aim for 5 to 10 fresh pin images per blog post, with a different design and headline on each one, all pointing to the same URL. Pinterest actively rewards fresh images to the same URL and punishes the old strategy of looping one image across multiple boards.

Do videos work on Pinterest?

Videos work well on Pinterest when they have a designed graphic cover (not a video screen grab). In one direct A/B test, a designed cover pulled 115 views versus 23 for the same content with a screen-grab cover, a 5x difference from a 60-second Canva design job.

Should I use Tailwind or schedule Pinterest natively?

Schedule Pinterest natively for most creators, because business accounts now support up to 100 pins scheduled directly inside Pinterest. Tailwind is still Pinterest’s only authorized third-party scheduler and is a fine option if you already pay for it, though its advantages over native scheduling have shrunk.

Can I use Pinterest to build my email list?

Pinterest is a top-tier email-list channel when you pin lead magnets (printables, checklists, templates) to opt-in pages. Toni Herrbach’s Christmas printable pulled 4,000 subscribers in a single holiday season with zero paid promotion, and Pinterest retains 50 to 60 percent of those subscribers over six months.

How long does it take to grow on Pinterest?

Meaningful Pinterest traffic typically starts showing up within 60 to 120 days of consistent publishing (roughly 5 to 10 fresh pins per week). Unlike Instagram or TikTok, Pinterest pins have a long tail: a pin published today can still drive traffic three years from now if the topic stays relevant.

Do faces work on Pinterest?

Faces work well on beauty, fashion, hair, and travel Pinterest accounts, and they underperform on business, finance, and how-to accounts. If your niche is business, use product shots, scene photography, or plain text-overlay pins instead of a photo of yourself.

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532: Simple Strategies To Grow Your TikTok To 6.1M Subs And Instant Sales With Eugenia Chen

532: Simple Strategies To Grow Your TikTok To 6.1M Subs And Instant Sales With Eugenia Chen

To grow a TikTok following that actually sells product, treat every video as if it lives or dies in the first five seconds. That is the entire game on a scroll-based feed. Eugenia Chen, founder of Pandaloon.com, has built her dog-costume brand into a TikTok account with over 6.1 million followers and roughly 1 billion total video views, and on this episode of the My Wife Quit Her Job podcast she walked me through exactly how she does it.

Her method is simple to describe and hard to execute. Lead with a hook, show the problem your product solves in the opening seconds, post at volume, and lean into your founder origin story because audiences trust people, not brands.

Below is her full playbook for growing a TikTok account from zero and turning the views into real ecommerce revenue, plus the TikTok Shop and live-stream tactics working right now.

Key takeaways

  • The first 1 to 2 seconds decide whether a TikTok gets watched. Open with a visual or emotional hook that stops the scroll, not a slow intro.
  • Watch time, shares, and saves are the two signals TikTok’s algorithm weights most. Rewatchable, shareable content is what compounds.
  • Product-focused videos with a clear problem-solution structure convert better for small brands than lifestyle content.
  • Founder-origin videos out-convert brand-voice videos. Audiences engage with people, not logos.
  • TikTok is actively promoting videos 60 seconds and longer, and roughly 50 to 70% of TikTok watch time now goes to videos of a minute or more.
  • TikTok Shop is winning for broad-appeal categories like apparel, beauty, and skincare. Niche categories still convert better on your own site or Amazon.
  • Expect one in 20 videos to hit big. When it does, drop everything and reply, remix, and post again while the momentum is live.

How Eugenia Chen grew Pandaloon’s TikTok to 6.1 million followers

Eugenia grew Pandaloon’s TikTok to 6.1 million followers by riding one accidental viral video into a repeatable content system built around her dog Huxley and cute, novelty pet costumes. She started as an applied math professor who taught herself to code an online store, then sewed a panda costume for Huxley and posted a video of him running through the park.

That first video went viral on Facebook, not TikTok, and celebrities like Damon John reshared it. Customers started emailing Eugenia asking where they could buy the costume, and she scrambled to source a factory, produce a small line of prototypes, and audition for Shark Tank. She landed a deal with Damon John, who still holds equity in Pandaloon.

When TikTok’s short-form algorithm took off, Eugenia moved her content strategy there because organic reach on Facebook and Instagram had dried up. One of her first Pandaloon videos on TikTok hit 140 million views, and she has been iterating on the format ever since.

How the TikTok algorithm decides which videos to push

The TikTok algorithm decides which videos to push based mostly on watch time (how long people watch, and whether they rewatch) plus shares and saves. Comments matter too. Followers and view counts on prior videos matter far less than most creators think.

TikTok is a discovery feed, not a subscription feed. Every video has to earn its impressions on its own merit, so a creator with 6 million followers can still post a video that gets 20,000 views if the hook is weak, and a brand-new account can hit a million views on its first post if the content resonates.

The practical takeaway is that consistency compounds because it gives you more shots on goal. Eugenia estimates that even for an experienced creator, roughly 1 in 20 videos will “pop off” into the millions. Everything else is data for the next attempt.

How to hook viewers in the first 5 seconds of a TikTok

To hook viewers in the first 5 seconds of a TikTok, you need context plus a reason to keep watching, delivered in the opening frame. People are ready to scroll by default, so your job is to interrupt that reflex.

Eugenia uses three hook types repeatedly:

  • Visual hook. Walk the camera forward, then pan up to reveal something surprising. The motion creates anticipation.
  • Emotional hook. Open on something juicy, embarrassing, or self-deprecating. “Here’s what happened when I accidentally…” works because it primes a story payoff.
  • Problem hook. Show the pain point in the first frame. A bug bite, a crying kid, a broken thing. Negative emotion stops scrolls harder than positive emotion does.

She notes that most small businesses spin their wheels trying to be clever across the whole video when they should be spending 80% of their creative energy on the first 5 seconds. Everything after the hook can be simple.

How to make a TikTok that actually converts to sales

The TikTok content structure that converts best for physical products is a straight before-and-after problem-solution demo. Show the pain point, show the product solving it, show the result. Under 60 seconds if you can, longer if the story earns it.

For product categories where there is no obvious pain point (apparel, novelty gifts, dog costumes), Eugenia recommends leaning on the founder origin story instead. Her single highest-converting TikTok on Pandaloon’s account is her Shark Tank origin video, not a costume demo.

Broad-appeal brands like Bloom Nutrition can succeed with pure product-placement content across dozens of influencers because they have the budget to seed at scale. For most bootstrapped brands, product-forward videos plus founder-face content is the higher-percentage bet.

How TikTok Shop works and which categories are winning

TikTok Shop lets viewers check out inside the app during a video or a live stream, and right now the categories crushing it are apparel, beauty, skincare, and viral gadgets like curling irons. Niche categories with narrower audiences (pets, wedding, hobbyist) convert less well on TikTok Shop today because the targeting is broad.

There is a live-stream flywheel that top TikTok Shop sellers exploit. You post 3 to 10 short videos in the 24 to 48 hours before you go live, and TikTok pushes those pre-live videos to new viewers with a blue “live” ring around your profile picture. The videos funnel viewers into the live stream, and the live stream converts.

Once viewers are in your live, they see products tagged for one-tap checkout. Apparel does especially well because live viewers can ask “does it stretch?”, “how does it fit at 5’3”, 150 pounds?”, and get a live model answer, which closes the gap between browsing and buying.

Why long-form TikTok videos now out-perform shorts

Long-form TikTok videos now out-perform shorts because roughly 50 to 70% of TikTok watch time is on videos 60 seconds or longer, while ~90% of creators still default to short videos. That imbalance means less competition per impression on the longer format.

The style that works long-form is not polished YouTube-style production. It is face-to-camera, FaceTime-style talking, as if the creator is casually catching up with a friend. Storytelling and ranting for 3 to 5 minutes tends to hold TikTok viewers because the platform’s culture rewards intimacy over polish.

TikTok is also actively pushing horizontal videos into the feed, notifying creators that horizontal uploads will get boosted. That gives long-form YouTube creators a way to repurpose existing content, and the video plays inside the vertical scroll without forcing the viewer to rotate their phone.

How to turn viral TikTok views into ecommerce sales

To turn viral TikTok views into ecommerce sales, drive traffic to a single, unambiguous destination and follow up in comments while the video is still hot. Eugenia found that when a Pandaloon video hits a million-plus views, more traffic clicks to her own website than to TikTok Shop or Amazon, so a clear bio link plus a strong on-site experience does most of the work.

The second lever is comment engagement in the first 24 to 48 hours after a video pops. Replying to comments with follow-up videos (TikTok’s video-reply feature) keeps the algorithm pushing the original video and creates a new post at the same time.

Correlating TikTok views to sales is easier in peak season for seasonal products (Halloween and Christmas for Pandaloon) and harder off-season, when a viral video may generate saves and follows without immediate purchases. Attribution windows matter; do not judge a TikTok strategy on same-day Shopify revenue alone.

How much time TikTok requires to grow an ecommerce brand

Growing a TikTok following that moves product for an ecommerce brand realistically requires 3 to 5 posts per week for 6 to 12 months before compounding kicks in. Eugenia posts less during her Halloween peak because operations consume her time, then rebuilds volume in the off-season with brand-deal and Huxley-Media-Group content.

The time trap most founders fall into is treating every video like a mini-production. Eugenia’s advice is the opposite. Batch shoot in a single afternoon, prioritize hook quality over production quality, and accept that most posts will underperform because that is the shape of a discovery feed.

If you cannot commit to that cadence yourself, hire one editor and give them source footage plus your top-performing hooks as templates. One editor can produce a week of shorts from a founder’s long-form recording in a few hours.

Frequently asked questions

How long does it take to grow a TikTok following for an ecommerce brand?

Most ecommerce brands need 6 to 12 months of consistent posting (3 to 5 videos per week) before TikTok growth compounds, though a single viral hit can shortcut that timeline. The real bottleneck is not follower count, it is the number of hook iterations you have run.

Does TikTok Shop work for niche products or only broad-appeal categories?

TikTok Shop today is best for broad-appeal categories like apparel, beauty, skincare, and viral gadgets. Niche categories (pets, wedding, hobbyist supplies) still convert better on your own Shopify store or Amazon because TikTok’s on-platform targeting is not narrow enough yet.

How long should a TikTok video be in 2026?

TikTok now favors videos 60 seconds and longer. Roughly 50 to 70% of watch time on the platform goes to videos of a minute or more, and TikTok has publicly said it will boost longer uploads. Aim for 60 to 180 seconds with a strong hook when the story supports it.

What is the most important part of a TikTok video?

The first 1 to 5 seconds. If the hook does not stop the scroll, nothing else in the video matters because the viewer is already gone. Spend most of your creative time on the opening frame, the on-screen text, and the reveal.

Should ecommerce brands post product demos or founder-story content on TikTok?

Both, weighted toward whichever your product supports. Products with a clear pain point (skincare, gadgets, home) do best with problem-solution demos. Products without an obvious pain point (apparel, novelty, hobby) do best with founder-origin and behind-the-scenes storytelling.

How many TikTok videos will go viral out of every 20 posted?

Even for experienced creators like Eugenia Chen, roughly 1 in 20 videos hits the millions of views. The other 19 are the reps that let you find the format, hook, and story that resonates with your audience.

Can you make sales on TikTok without going live?

Yes. Eugenia does not run frequent lives and still drives measurable Pandaloon traffic through short-form video plus a strong bio link. Lives amplify TikTok Shop revenue for apparel and beauty specifically, but short-form video plus off-platform conversion (your store, Amazon) is the more common path for niche brands.

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531: A Proven Method To Grow Your Social Media Following In 30 Days

531: A Proven Strategy for Growing Your Social Media Following In Just 30 Days

The fastest way to grow a social media following in 30 days is a simple, unglamorous challenge: publish 30 short-form videos on one platform in 30 days, keep the editing minimal, and pick a niche narrow enough that your face and your voice add trust. That is the exact playbook my co-host Toni and I ran with our Profitable Audience students in April, and every student who completed it saw meaningful subscriber and view growth.

In this episode of the My Wife Quit Her Job podcast, Toni and I broke down what is working right now on YouTube Shorts, TikTok, Instagram Reels, and Pinterest video, plus the tactical mistakes small creators make that keep their view counts stuck.

This post captures the full 30-day playbook, the results we saw across our own accounts, and the specific tactics we learned from watching our students execute in real time.

Key takeaways

  • Commit to 30 short-form videos in 30 days on one primary platform. Consistency, not production quality, is what breaks a small channel out of zero-view purgatory.
  • Expect roughly 1 in 15 to 20 videos to pop off. The rest are practice reps that make the winners possible.
  • Faceless channels can work if the topic is niche, the AI voice sounds human, and the visuals stay tight (top-down hand shots, ASMR sound, screen recordings).
  • Short-form videos lift long-form views. Adding a daily short cadence measurably increases watch time and subscribers on existing long-form uploads.
  • Repurpose across platforms with a tool like Repurpose.io. One short can ship to YouTube, TikTok, Instagram, Pinterest, and Facebook without recutting.
  • Monetization thresholds are hit around 1,500 to 2,000 subscribers for YouTube Shorts creators, and 1,500 subs can generate $150 to $300 per month in pure ad revenue for the right niche.
  • Equipment is not the bottleneck. A phone plus a $10 lavalier mic (or no mic at all) beats a delayed video every time.

How the 30-video-in-30-days social media challenge works

The 30-video-in-30-days challenge is a rule that every participant publishes one short-form video per day for 30 consecutive days on the platform of their choice. Shorts count and long-form is optional.

The only requirement is that a piece of video content ships every single day.

Toni set the challenge up inside our Profitable Audience course in April because consistency, not talent, is what separates channels that grow from channels that stall. Watching students who had never filmed themselves before hit publish 30 times in a row was the fastest confidence build we have seen.

The reason 30 days matters is that most creators need 15 to 20 iterations before one video pops. If you publish once a week, you are looking at four months to hit that first winner. Compress the cycle to a month and the feedback loop closes fast enough to actually learn.

What results the 30-day social media challenge produced

The 30-day challenge produced measurable growth for every student who finished it, ranging from a handful of new subscribers to viral videos in the tens of thousands of views. The pattern was consistent: the students who posted every day saw their delivery, framing, and hook quality visibly improve week over week.

A few specific examples from our cohort:

  • Kevin (crypto/Bitcoin channel) invested heavily in editing and custom thumbnails, and hit multiple shorts over 15,000 to 20,000 views plus long-form winners.
  • Charles stuck to a minimalist short-form format and watched his delivery tighten with every video.
  • A student running a faceless car channel started at zero in late January and passed 1,500 subscribers by early April using AI voiceover, purely on niche interest.
  • Another student runs a Catholic daily-prayer channel and had already hit 65,000 subscribers with 45-minute videos, proof that even seemingly narrow niches have real audiences.

Toni ran a short from her car about muffin batter portioning and hit 1,500 views on a channel that normally averaged 400. That single overshoot was enough to inject momentum into the rest of her uploads for the week.

How to grow YouTube Shorts from zero: the daily-post system

To grow YouTube Shorts from zero, publish one short every day, keep the format identical across posts so the algorithm categorizes you cleanly, and treat the first two weeks as pure inventory building. Do not tinker with editing style, tempo, or thumbnail approach until you have at least 15 uploads live.

The counter-intuitive part is that the biggest lift from adding shorts is often to your existing long-form videos, not to the shorts themselves. When a short performs, YouTube feeds a fraction of that traffic to your long-form back catalog, and daily short posting can lift long-form watch time even when the long-form upload cadence is unchanged.

Link the end-screen of every short to a long-form video on the same topic, not to another short. This drags viewers deeper into the channel and is what starts to turn shorts subscribers into watch-time subscribers.

How to grow a TikTok following alongside a YouTube channel

To grow a TikTok following alongside YouTube, cross-post the exact same shorts to TikTok, stripped of watermarks, YouTube-specific music, and end-screens. TikTok’s algorithm will re-evaluate the content from scratch, and videos that flopped on one platform can go viral on the other.

The style rule matters. TikTok culture rewards face-to-camera, FaceTime-style content and hook-first structure in the first 1 to 2 seconds. Polished, produced videos with slow intros underperform against creators like the popular tech-tip creator “Frank” who just holds his phone close to his face and delivers information with zero editing, and pulls millions of followers doing it.

Longer TikTok videos (60+ seconds) are being pushed harder by the platform right now, so a repurposed short may actually be too short. Consider filming a 90 to 120 second version specifically for TikTok if the topic supports it.

How to repurpose one short-form video across every platform

To repurpose one short-form video across every platform, film once in a vertical 9:16 aspect ratio with no platform-specific branding, then push the same file to YouTube Shorts, TikTok, Instagram Reels, Facebook Reels, and Pinterest video. A scheduling tool like Repurpose.io automates the distribution for TikTok, YouTube, Instagram, and Snapchat in one step.

Pinterest deserves special attention. Pinterest actively rewards fresh video content and has explicitly stopped rewarding repinning the same static image across multiple boards. Uploading a 60-second-or-shorter video hits the current Pinterest algorithm preference and can outperform pins.

Facebook is a judgment call. If your Facebook is mostly personal friends, publishing polished business content there feels off and may hurt engagement. A separate Facebook Page or a niche Group (like Toni’s Happy Housewives) is a better home.

Should you build a faceless YouTube or TikTok channel?

You should build a faceless channel if your topic is information-dense, your niche is narrow, and you can produce a natural-sounding AI voiceover. Cars, personal finance mechanics, true crime, tech tutorials, ASMR crafting, and food prep all work faceless because the visuals or the information carry the video.

You should NOT build a faceless channel if your topic requires trust and personal authority. Financial advice, health advice, coaching, and any “should you do X with your money?” content converts dramatically better when a real person is on camera. Our friend Tate at Financial Tortoise, for example, needs his face on the content because the audience is deciding whether to trust his advice, not just his data.

If you want faceless with a voice, invest in a high-quality AI voice model. Tools like ElevenLabs, when trained on a few hours of your own voice recording, can produce output that is practically indistinguishable from live speech. Pat Flynn recently demonstrated this on his own podcast and the AI clone matched his intonations line for line.

How many subscribers do you need to make money on YouTube Shorts?

You need roughly 1,000 subscribers plus 10 million public Shorts views in the past 90 days (or 4,000 watch hours from long-form) to hit the YouTube Partner Program monetization threshold. Once monetized, channels in the 1,500 to 2,000 subscriber range are earning $150 to $300 per month from Shorts ad revenue alone in the niches we tracked.

For context, that same 1,500 audience on a blog would generate close to zero dollars per month unless every reader was in an ultra-high-CPM niche. YouTube’s revenue-per-viewer at small scale is dramatically better than blog RPM, which is why a shorts-first strategy makes sense for creators building from scratch in 2026.

Ad revenue is the floor, not the ceiling. Layer in affiliate links, sponsored segments, your own product, and email capture, and a 1,500-subscriber channel can generate 5 to 10 times what ads alone pay.

What equipment you actually need to make short-form videos

You need a smartphone and that is it. Toni and I have both filmed shorts that outperformed our polished setups using just an iPhone in a car with the windows up.

Audio quality on modern phones is good enough for indoor and quiet-outdoor filming.

If you want to upgrade, spend $10 on a lavalier lapel mic that plugs into your phone’s headphone or USB-C port. That single purchase eliminates 90% of amateur audio complaints and works with CapCut for on-phone editing.

The one non-negotiable is background noise control. Film indoors with soft surfaces, or in your car with the engine off and windows up. Reverb and traffic noise kill retention faster than shaky camera work does.

How to turn your top 30-day shorts into long-form YouTube videos

To turn your top 30-day shorts into long-form videos, identify the 3 to 5 shorts that outperformed your baseline by 3x or more, combine 4 to 5 related ones into a single topic, and re-record a 6 to 10 minute long-form version with clearer structure. You already know the topic works, so the script is half-written.

This is the highest-ROI move a creator can make after finishing a 30-day challenge. Short-form gives you data on what your audience actually cares about. Long-form is where the ad revenue and the deeper trust live. Bridging the two is how creators go from “growing channel” to “profitable channel.”

Also, if a specific short goes viral, make more of it. When one of my shorts on Alibaba sourcing hit big years ago, every subsequent Alibaba video I made also performed above baseline. Your winners tell you where the audience wants more.

Frequently asked questions

How fast can you actually grow a social media following in 30 days?

Realistic 30-day growth for a brand-new account is 100 to 500 subscribers on YouTube Shorts and TikTok, and a single viral video can add thousands in a week. The key metric is not follower count, it is the number of videos published and the improvement in retention from video 1 to video 30.

How many videos should I post per day to grow my channel fast?

One short-form video per day is the sweet spot for most niches. Posting more than that dilutes the algorithm’s ability to score any single video, and posting less means fewer feedback iterations per week. Daily short + weekly long-form is the pattern that compounds fastest.

Do I need to show my face to grow on YouTube or TikTok?

No, but faceless channels work best in specific niches: cars, true crime, tech tutorials, ASMR crafting, and food prep. For advice-based niches (finance, health, coaching), face on camera converts 3 to 5 times better because the audience is buying trust.

What is the best platform to grow a social media following on in 2026?

YouTube Shorts is the highest-ROI platform for most creators because YouTube monetizes shorts natively at 1,000 subscribers, and shorts lift your long-form watch time. TikTok is faster for pure follower growth but harder to monetize outside of TikTok Shop for physical products.

How long does it take to monetize a YouTube Shorts channel?

Most creators hit the YouTube Partner Program threshold in 4 to 9 months of daily shorts posting, assuming they stay in one niche. Some niches (finance, tech, personal development) monetize faster because their CPMs are higher and their viewers are more likely to complete watch.

Can I use AI voiceovers for my faceless channel?

Yes. Modern AI voice tools like ElevenLabs produce output that most listeners cannot distinguish from a human, especially when trained on 30+ minutes of your own voice. Avoid the default TikTok voice and the generic “true crime narrator” voice, which viewers now instantly recognize as AI.

Should I edit my short-form videos heavily or keep them raw?

Keep them raw for the first 30 days. Heavy editing slows you down and hides which videos actually resonate with your audience. Once you have data on what works, add editing selectively to your best-performing formats.

How do I know if my 30-day challenge is working?

Track four metrics weekly: new subscribers per week, average views per video, best-performing video’s view count, and total watch time. If the best-performing video keeps setting new records week over week, the strategy is working even if your subscriber count still feels small.

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530: The Must Have Pet Products To Sell Online | A Recap Of The Pet Summit

530: The Must Have Pet Products To Sell Online | A Recap Of The Pet Summit

The best pet products to sell online right now are food toppers, refrigerated and fresh pet food, novel pet accessories (from custom cages to functional dog gear), and any inventor-style product that solves a real owner pain point. The pet industry is projected to hit $154 billion in 2024, up roughly 8% year over year, and there is more white space inside it than most sellers assume.

That is the top-line from Pet Summit Orlando, where my co-host Toni Herrbach spoke four times last week, walking the floor of the co-located Global Pet Expo with 1,100 vendors and hundreds of pet influencers. In this episode of the My Wife Quit Her Job podcast, Toni broke down which pet categories are growing, why most pet brands are losing money on Amazon, and where the real opportunity sits for creators and sellers today.

Below is the full recap: the hot pet product categories, the Amazon influencer angle nobody was using, and the diversification playbook Toni delivered to a room full of million-follower pet creators who had no email list.

Key takeaways

  • The pet industry is projected to hit $154 billion in 2024, up ~8% year over year, with a stated goal to grow pet ownership from ~60% of households to 70%.
  • Pet food toppers, refrigerated fresh pet food, and functional accessories (feeders, harnesses, terrariums) are the fastest-growing product niches right now.
  • Most pet brands are on Amazon but do not understand it. Many are losing money per unit because they never checked their margins against Amazon fees.
  • The Amazon Influencer program is under-used in pets. Pet products carry a 4% commission (double the standard 2%), making them one of the highest-earning categories for on-listing influencer video.
  • Pet influencers with millions of followers are leaving 80%+ of their potential income on the table by relying on brand deals only. YouTube, email, and private-label products unlock the rest.
  • TikTok Shop pays affiliates ~20% commission versus Amazon Associates’ ~2%. One pet creator made $80,000 from a single viral TikTok promoting one product.
  • The biggest missed opportunity for pet influencers is YouTube. Most create 5+ videos per day on TikTok and Instagram, but fewer than half repost to YouTube where ads pay passively.

How big is the pet industry and how fast is it growing?

The US pet industry is projected to reach $154 billion in 2024, up roughly 8% year over year, according to the state-of-the-industry keynote at Pet Summit delivered by a former PetSmart executive. Roughly 60% of US households own a pet today, and the industry’s stated strategic goal is to push that number to 70% because the revenue math tips dramatically at that threshold.

Growth is not evenly distributed across categories. Premium and human-adjacent products (fresh food, custom-formulated diets, food toppers, functional supplements) are outpacing traditional dry-food staples. Owners are treating pets more like family members every year, and the wallet share reflects it.

The takeaway for sellers is that “saturated” is not the right mental model for pets. Every subcategory has its own supply-demand curve, and the fastest growth is in premium and specialty niches where the incumbents move slowly.

What are the best pet products to sell online in 2026?

The best pet product categories to sell online in 2026 are food toppers, refrigerated and fresh pet food, functional accessories (feeders, harnesses, custom terrariums, dog hiking gear), and inventor-style products that solve a specific owner problem. Each category sits above the industry’s 8% growth average.

Here is the category-by-category read from the Pet Summit expo floor:

CategoryWhy it is growingBest channel
Pet food toppers & graviesOwners upgrading standard kibble; low unit cost, high repurchaseAmazon Subscribe & Save + DTC bundles
Fresh & refrigerated pet foodPremium diet trend; subscription-friendlyDTC subscription
Functional feeders (elevated, slow, bug-proof)Health-first owners; patentable innovationFacebook video ads + Amazon
Reptile & small-animal cages/terrariumsUnderserved niche with dedicated hobbyist buyersNiche DTC + Amazon
Functional dog apparel (hiking pants, cooling vests)Novelty plus practicality; strong social contentTikTok Shop + Instagram
Dog supplements & hydration (“Gatorade for dogs”)Follows human wellness trend; premium price pointDTC + Amazon
Inventor SKUs (unique problem-solvers)Patent moat; ideal for Shark Tank / paid socialFacebook ads + PR

The category we did not see much of at the expo but that keeps coming up in real revenue conversations is dog training and behavior digital products, often paired with a physical accessory (leash, harness, treat pouch). The margin structure of digital + physical bundles beats either alone.

Why most pet brands are losing money on Amazon

Most pet brands are losing money on Amazon because they never modeled their unit economics against Amazon’s fees before listing, and they staffed the channel with whoever was available (often a family member or an outsourced agency they cannot audit). The result is bestseller listings with negative contribution margin on every sale.

Toni and her co-host Liz Saunders walked the Global Pet Expo floor pulling up brands’ Amazon listings on their phones. They found repeated patterns: shipping-heavy products priced without accounting for FBA weight tiers, kits and multi-packs priced below single-unit cost of goods, and hero SKUs subsidizing money-losing SKUs across the catalog.

The most common conversation went: “Who runs your Amazon?” “Oh, we have a guy.” No brand owner in that conversation could produce their landed-cost-plus-fees breakdown by SKU. If you are a pet brand reading this, that spreadsheet is the highest-ROI weekend project you will do this quarter.

How the Amazon Influencer program works for pet products

The Amazon Influencer program lets approved creators upload short review videos that live directly on Amazon product listings, and pet products pay a 4% commission versus the standard 2% on most categories. That doubling makes pets one of the most lucrative on-listing video categories on the entire platform.

Two things most brands and influencers do not know:

  • Brands must upload their own video first. An Amazon product listing cannot receive influencer videos until the brand has posted at least one branded video into the top carousel. Once that video is live, the slot is “unlocked” for any approved influencer to publish additional review videos there.
  • Approval is easy for pet influencers. Anyone with a legitimate Instagram or TikTok following in pets is being accepted into the program. Multiple influencers at Pet Summit were already accepted but had never uploaded a single video.

The revenue math is compelling. A single evergreen review video on a hero pet SKU can generate hundreds of dollars per month for years, at zero incremental cost after filming. Stack 20 to 30 videos across popular pet products and it becomes a real income stream.

How pet influencers should diversify revenue beyond brand deals

Pet influencers should diversify revenue beyond brand deals by adding YouTube monetization, an email list, an owned digital product (course or membership), and eventually a private-label physical product. Brand deals pay well but stop the moment you stop working; every other channel pays passively.

The pattern Toni saw at Pet Summit was extreme concentration risk. Creators with 100,000 to 1 million+ Instagram followers were earning $5,000 to $10,000 per brand deal but had no email list, no YouTube channel, no digital product, and no way to run a “flash promotion” during a slow month. If the brand-deal pipeline dries up for 30 days, revenue drops to zero.

The five-lever revenue framework Toni delivered on stage was:

  1. Brand deals (current bread and butter, keep doing them)
  2. YouTube ad revenue (repurpose existing TikTok/Instagram video)
  3. Email list (even a single ConvertKit landing page)
  4. Affiliate + Amazon Influencer (already creating the content)
  5. Private label products (60%+ margins vs. 4-20% affiliate)

The single fastest lever for most pet influencers is #2. Every video they film for TikTok or Instagram can be re-uploaded to YouTube as-is, or stitched together into 10-minute long-form. Most channels can hit YouTube’s monetization threshold in weeks given their existing audience.

How to make a Shark Tank-worthy pet product

To make a Shark Tank-worthy pet product, solve a real owner-observed problem, get a design patent or utility patent, produce a small first run with your own tooling, and be ready to hand-sell into pet retail while paid-social ads build ecommerce demand. That is the exact path one inventor Toni met at Pet Summit had taken with a bug-proof dog and cat feeder.

She spent three years on molds, manufacturing, and the patent, launched on Shopify in December, and hit crickets. The invention was done, but the audience-building work had barely started. This is the most common inventor trap in pets: the assumption that a novel product sells itself.

The right sequence, in order:

  1. Ship 100 to 500 units to seed reviews and video content.
  2. Run Facebook video ads to a strong problem-solution creative.
  3. Apply for Shark Tank the same week (the show wants inventor stories with revenue traction).
  4. Approach 5 to 10 pet influencers with gifted product, not paid deals.
  5. List on Amazon only after you have DTC data on your unit economics.

How pet influencers should use TikTok Shop for affiliate revenue

Pet influencers should use TikTok Shop primarily as an affiliate revenue channel because TikTok pays affiliates ~20% commission per sale, compared to ~2% from Amazon Associates. On viral videos, that spread turns into life-changing money.

One creator at Pet Summit reported making $80,000 in about a month promoting a single product to a small TikTok following, purely because one video went viral and TikTok kept serving it. The 20% commission on that volume dwarfed anything a comparable Amazon Associate video would have paid.

TikTok Shop works best in pets for consumables (treats, chews, food toppers, supplements) and for viral novelty items (funny costumes, dog beds with unique features). Broad-audience pet gear beats niche species gear because TikTok’s targeting is not narrow enough to reliably serve iguana-terrarium videos to iguana owners.

Why every pet influencer needs a YouTube channel

Every pet influencer needs a YouTube channel because YouTube is the only platform that pays passive ad revenue from a back catalog, and pet creators are already making 5+ videos per day for other platforms. Republishing that content to YouTube costs almost nothing incrementally.

Fewer than 50% of the influencers at Pet Summit were actively publishing on YouTube. Every single one Toni asked said the same sentence: “I know I need to be doing YouTube.” What is stopping them is a mental hurdle, not a real workload hurdle, because the video already exists.

The fastest low-effort path is to compile 5 to 10 short TikToks or Reels into a single 8 to 12 minute YouTube long-form video. Add a simple intro and outro, upload to YouTube, and let YouTube’s ad system do the rest. Creators with existing large audiences on other platforms often hit YouTube’s monetization threshold in 2 to 6 weeks.

Frequently asked questions

How big is the US pet industry?

The US pet industry is projected to reach $154 billion in 2024, growing at roughly 8% year over year according to Pet Summit’s state-of-the-industry keynote. Approximately 60% of US households currently own a pet, with industry leaders targeting 70% household penetration.

What is the most profitable pet product category to sell?

The most profitable pet product categories to sell right now are food toppers and gravies, fresh and refrigerated food, functional feeders, and inventor-style problem-solvers. These categories combine high growth rates, strong repurchase behavior for consumables, and premium price points.

What commission does the Amazon Influencer program pay on pet products?

The Amazon Influencer program pays 4% on pet products, which is double the standard 2% affiliate rate on most other categories. That makes pets one of the highest-earning on-listing video categories for approved influencers.

How much do TikTok Shop affiliates make on pet products?

TikTok Shop affiliates typically earn ~20% commission per sale, roughly 10x the Amazon Associates rate. Individual viral videos have generated $80,000+ in a single month for pet creators with modest follower counts.

Why are pet brands losing money on Amazon?

Most pet brands are losing money on Amazon because they never modeled unit economics against Amazon’s FBA fees, weight-based shipping tiers, and referral fees before listing. Many hero SKUs are being sold below breakeven cost, subsidized by one profitable product.

Do I need a website to be a pet influencer?

You do not need a website to earn brand-deal revenue as a pet influencer, but you absolutely need one to diversify beyond brand deals. Even a single email-capture landing page (ConvertKit’s free plan works) unlocks passive revenue channels that brand deals alone cannot provide.

Can you make money selling pet products without inventing something new?

Yes. You can source existing products from suppliers (Alibaba, US wholesalers, private-label manufacturers) and sell them under your own brand. If you have an audience, you already know what they buy, which is the hardest part of ecommerce and the part most sellers do not have solved.

What is Pet Summit Orlando and who should attend?

Pet Summit is a conference co-located with the Global Pet Expo in Orlando, split into a brand track (for pet product companies) and an influencer/creator track (for pet content creators). It is the top annual gathering for anyone selling pet products online or building a pet-focused audience.

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529: How My Student Sally Wilson 10x’ed Her Ecommerce Business Selling Cross Stitch Supplies Online

529: How My Student Sally Wilson 10x'ed Her Ecommerce Business Selling Cross-stitch Supplies Online

To scale an ecommerce business from six to seven figures, own a community your customers cannot get anywhere else, layer in a weekly YouTube channel, add a subscription box for recurring revenue, and run a serious email flow with a well-tested welcome series. That is exactly what my student Sally Wilson did to grow Caterpillar Cross Stitch (caterpillarcrossstitch.com) to seven figures in annual revenue, a 10X leap from where she was four years ago.

On this episode of the My Wife Quit Her Job podcast, Sally walked me through what changed in her business between six figures and seven, what she would double down on if she were starting over today, and the mindset shifts that were harder than the tactics.

Below is the full playbook: how she built a 20,000-member Facebook community, why her YouTube channel took two to three years to bear fruit, the subscription-box economics, and the exact email flow that keeps her open rate at 40%.

Key takeaways

  • Sally’s business grew 10X (six to seven figures) in four years, driven mostly by a niche Facebook group (now ~20,000 members) and a weekly YouTube channel.
  • The Facebook group returned a 76% customer retention rate after the pandemic bump, keeping most 2020 first-time buyers active in 2021 and beyond.
  • YouTube took 2 to 3 years to produce measurable revenue but is now her #2 traffic driver and email-sub source.
  • Her subscription box (started 2021) runs every 2 months at ~25 GBP, is designed to feel like ~35 GBP of value, and includes 3 items from partner small businesses in every box.
  • Amazon is only ~5% of revenue; 95% is direct via Shopify. She uses another student’s US warehouse to prep Amazon FBA inventory.
  • Her 8-email welcome series drives a 40% open rate, roughly double the ecommerce average.
  • Going from 4-5 employees to 14 was harder than the revenue milestone itself. Mindset, systems, and forward planning are the real seven-figure bottleneck.

How Sally Wilson grew Caterpillar Cross Stitch from six to seven figures

Sally grew Caterpillar Cross Stitch from six to seven figures over four years by treating community as her primary product and physical kits as the follow-on. She started the business in 2015 after taking my Create A Profitable Online Store course during maternity leave, hit six figures in 2019, quadrupled revenue during the 2020 lockdown, and kept 76% of those pandemic buyers active in 2021 by pouring effort into her Facebook group, YouTube channel, and email list.

The specific mix that produced the 10X leap:

  • Facebook group (~20,000 members, 6 moderators, high daily engagement)
  • Weekly YouTube channel (Mondays at 7pm UK, hosted by 3 people including Sally)
  • Bi-monthly subscription box (Box 18 shipped Feb 2024, ~25 GBP each)
  • Shopify DTC store (~95% of revenue)
  • Amazon US and UK (~5% combined)
  • Email marketing with an 8-email welcome flow (~40% open rate)
  • In-person and virtual “Stitching Social” events, plus a first-ever retreat in Birmingham with 300 tickets

The one factor she named as the single most important accelerator was the Facebook group, both for community engagement and for real-time customer research on what products to launch next.

How to build a Facebook group that drives ecommerce revenue

To build a Facebook group that drives ecommerce revenue, pick a niche that has few real-world outlets (so people need an online home for it), collaborate with existing larger groups to seed your first 1,000 members, and post consistently through the boring early months when only two people are engaging.

Sally’s group grew because cross-stitch is a solitary hobby with a devoted audience and few in-person meetups. Most cross-stitchers do not know three other cross-stitchers in real life, so a well-moderated online group becomes the community they otherwise cannot find. The same dynamic works for any narrow hobby, professional specialty, or unusual interest.

Her seeding moves in the first year:

  1. Joined 10+ existing cross-stitch Facebook groups and studied engagement patterns.
  2. Collaborated with “Happiness Is Homemade” on a Stitch-Along project that cross-promoted her group to their members.
  3. Posted free cross-stitch patterns, giveaways, and downloadable ebooks in exchange for email opt-ins.
  4. Went live regularly, even to small audiences.
  5. Encouraged and posted funny in-jokes (“thread chicken”, “27 projects at once”) that made the group feel like home.

Moderation matters as much as content. Her group has 6 moderators and strict rules against negativity, which she credits for keeping the space useful for members dealing with mental health issues or illness who stitch as an escape.

How long does a YouTube channel take to grow an ecommerce business?

A YouTube channel typically takes 2 to 3 years of consistent weekly posting to become a measurable revenue driver for an ecommerce brand. Sally’s channel produced almost no visible impact for the first 18 months, then quietly compounded into her #2 traffic source and #2 email-sub source behind her Facebook group.

Her production system is deliberate and lean:

  • One video per week (Mondays at 7pm UK time, evergreen and live).
  • Three rotating hosts (Sally + 2 freelancers), which prevents burnout and gives the channel variety.
  • A dedicated editor in the Philippines who receives 4 videos at a time and knows the format cold.
  • Every video has a scripted CTA to subscribe, join the Facebook group, and grab the email freebie (10% off + free 8-pattern ebook).

The email-capture design is what turns YouTube views into recurring revenue. Sally does not treat YouTube ad revenue as the goal. She treats each video as a top-of-funnel machine that feeds the email list, which then converts to Shopify orders on launches.

How Caterpillar Cross Stitch’s subscription box works

The Caterpillar Cross Stitch subscription box ships every 2 months at 25 GBP, contains one themed cross-stitch kit plus 3 curated items from partner small businesses, and is designed to feel like ~35 GBP of value. It launched in 2021 as recurring revenue with a fun creative twist and is now on Box 18.

The mechanics that make it work:

  • Community-voted themes. Members pick the box themes (Easter Eggs, Woodland Animals, Halloween, Mythical, Christmas, Pets, Sewing, Lighthouses, Seaside). Voting doubles as customer research and pre-launch excitement.
  • Guest designers. Sally licenses the box’s cross-stitch design from another artist for 1 to 2 years, exposing subscribers to designers they may buy from later.
  • Partner small businesses. Each box includes 3 curated items (hot chocolate, washi tape, ribbons) from small brands Sally sources, which builds goodwill and cross-promotion.
  • Subscription-only availability. Boxes are not resold later, which drives conversion at each cutoff date and makes the subscription feel exclusive.
  • Live launch pressure. Sally goes live on Facebook the day of each subscription cutoff to push undecided buyers over the line.

The box is profitable and growing, but it is not her biggest revenue line. It is a fun operational and community anchor that helps retain subscribers and gives her platform to test new designers.

What email flow drives a 40% open rate for a seven-figure ecommerce store

The email flow driving Caterpillar Cross Stitch’s ~40% open rate is an 8-email welcome series triggered by the newsletter opt-in, followed by post-purchase and abandoned-cart flows, all segmented by customer behavior. The 40% rate is roughly double the ecommerce industry average of ~20-22%.

Sally’s specific structure:

  • Welcome series: 8 emails, spaced and sequenced based on open and click data. Every subject line and button color is A/B tested.
  • Opt-in bribe: 10% off + free 8-pattern PDF ebook, matched to the audience’s actual intent (they came for cross-stitch, they get cross-stitch).
  • Post-purchase flow: Educational how-to content plus community invites (Facebook group, YouTube subscribe).
  • Abandoned cart: Standard flow with segmentation by cart value.
  • Broadcast cadence: Regular but not spammy. New product launches, box themes, live-event invites.

She also runs Facebook ads specifically to the email list opt-in, treating the list as a paid-acquisition asset because the LTV of an email subscriber in her niche is large enough to justify the CPL.

Why the hardest part of scaling to seven figures is mindset, not tactics

The hardest part of scaling to seven figures is not the tactics, it is the mindset and system shift required to go from “solo founder or 4-person team” to “14+ employees, planned quarters, and forward inventory commitments.” Sally described it as the single biggest challenge in the jump from six to seven.

Specifically:

  • Loss of nimbleness. At 5 employees, she could act on any idea within a week. At 14, the whole of 2024 is planned in advance, and spontaneous ideas have to be triaged against existing commitments.
  • Imposter syndrome. Seven figures brings a “is this actually happening?” period that most founders underestimate.
  • Staff management. Absences, sickness, holidays, recruitment, and training become a recurring management workload she did not have at smaller scale.
  • Inventory planning. Shipping thousands of units means you cannot “just pull an all-nighter.” Stock decisions have to be right months in advance.
  • Bigger rewards, bigger problems. The financial upside scales up, and so does the downside of any single mistake.

Sally still runs her own fulfillment. Most of her 14-person team is in production (assembling needle-minders, cutting fabric, running 3 thread-winding machines that dispense custom color and length), with smaller pods for fulfillment, customer service, marketing, and social.

Should you use Amazon FBA or your own Shopify store for ecommerce?

You should treat Amazon as a channel, not your primary storefront, unless your business model is explicitly Amazon-first. For Caterpillar Cross Stitch, Amazon is roughly 5% of revenue and Shopify is 95%, and the split has held steady even as Amazon has grown, because the community and email flywheel keep pulling customers back to the DTC store.

Sally’s Amazon setup is worth copying:

  1. Ship Amazon-bound inventory (needle-minders, small accessories at the ~10-15 GBP price point) to another course student’s US warehouse.
  2. Her partner’s team preps the shipment and forwards it to the nearest Amazon FBA fulfillment center.
  3. Sally never touches US Amazon fulfillment operationally.
  4. She focuses Amazon on gift-friendly, low-return items where the FBA price point is right, not her hero SKUs.

The takeaway: Amazon is best used surgically for specific SKUs where the unit economics work, while the community-driven DTC store carries the brand and captures the LTV.

How to run your first ecommerce in-person retreat or event

To run your first ecommerce in-person retreat, pick a central location, cap ticket count at what you can actually deliver (Sally sold 300 tickets for the inaugural Caterpillar Stitch Retreat in Birmingham), offer clear standard-vs-VIP tiers, add workshops and merch as revenue extenders, and let the community drive word-of-mouth.

Sally’s retreat evolved from smaller “Stitching Social” events she ran in-person in 2019, moved online during the pandemic (18 events per year, 15 people each, hosts in multiple time zones), and is now expanding back into a bigger in-person format. Every step was validated by the community first.

Events are rarely the biggest revenue line for an ecommerce business, but they compound goodwill in ways ads cannot. Attendees become superfans, tell friends, and post about the experience for months afterward.

Frequently asked questions

How long does it take to grow an ecommerce store from six to seven figures?

It typically takes 3 to 5 years to grow a niche ecommerce store from six to seven figures, though a lockdown-scale demand event can compress the timeline. Sally hit six figures in her fourth year (2019) and seven figures in her eighth year (2023).

What is the biggest driver of ecommerce revenue growth?

For most niche ecommerce brands, the biggest driver is a community + email list + weekly content channel combination, not paid ads alone. Sally’s Facebook group of ~20,000 members and her weekly YouTube channel together outperform every paid channel in her mix.

Is a subscription box worth adding to an ecommerce store?

A subscription box is worth adding when you have a strong community that will vote on themes, when you can source or design new content every cycle without burning out, and when the box gives customers a reason to stay engaged between larger purchases. It is meaningful recurring revenue but rarely the biggest revenue line.

How long does a YouTube channel take to grow an ecommerce brand?

Most ecommerce YouTube channels take 2 to 3 years of consistent weekly posting to become a measurable traffic and revenue driver. Sally’s channel produced almost no visible impact in year one, then compounded into her #2 traffic source.

Should ecommerce stores focus on Amazon or their own website?

Most ecommerce stores should treat Amazon as one channel and their own website as the primary brand. Sally’s ~5% Amazon vs. ~95% Shopify split is common for community-driven niche brands, because owning the customer relationship compounds LTV over time.

What is a good email open rate for an ecommerce business?

The ecommerce industry average email open rate is roughly 20-22%. Sally’s Caterpillar Cross Stitch newsletter runs closer to 40%, driven by a tightly opt-ed niche list, a well-tested 8-email welcome series, and consistent value in every send.

Do you need a Facebook group to grow an ecommerce brand?

You do not strictly need a Facebook group, but for niche hobby or interest categories, a well-moderated group is one of the highest-leverage community formats available. It gives customers a reason to return between purchases and gives the brand real-time product research.

How many employees does a seven-figure ecommerce business need?

Sally’s seven-figure store runs with 14 employees, most in production (custom kit assembly, thread cutting, packaging). A drop-shipped or manufacturer-fulfilled business at the same revenue level would need far fewer people, typically 3 to 6.

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528: TikTok Shop, AI, Meta Ads & More Gossip – ECF Recap Part 2 With Toni Herrbach

528: TikTok Shop, AI, Meta Ads & More Gossip - ECF Recap Part 2 With Toni Herrbach

The most useful trends coming out of the 2024 eCommerce Fuel Live conference in New Orleans were the ones that changed how a real seven or eight figure Shopify seller spends their next dollar. TikTok Shop can create $1M-per-month tidal waves for the right hero product. Digital courses attached to a physical product line can quietly account for 20% of Shopify revenue and double as a $150 free-with-purchase incentive. Meta Ads still work, but only if the store’s operating expenses and average order value can actually support them.

This is part two of my ECF Live recap with my co-host Toni Herrbach, pulled from the hallway conversations, the mastermind pods, and the sessions we actually sat in. Everything below is what physical product sellers doing $500K to $10M+ told us in person.

Here is what is working in ecommerce right now, the tools people are using, and the traps to avoid on TikTok Shop, AI-generated content, and Meta Ads.

Key takeaways

  • TikTok Shop can 30x your Shopify halo traffic when a product goes viral, but you need deep inventory and thin margins tolerant of heavy discounting.
  • A single hero product with heavy affiliate seeding is the TikTok Shop playbook. One creator with under 500 followers drove $90,000 in sales in one campaign.
  • Digital courses tied to physical products can be 20% of Shopify revenue and replace lead magnets as a $150 free-with-purchase incentive.
  • Meta ads need a $60 to $80 average order value and healthy margins. If your operating expenses plus COGS leaves you at negative 10% profit before ad spend, ads will not save you.
  • AI images and video are already good enough for product mockups, model shots, and YouTube b-roll. Kevin Williams put it well: “This is the worst it is ever going to be.”
  • Klaviyo’s AI segment builder still misses on complex prompts, but it gets close enough to hand-correct.

How is TikTok Shop actually working for physical product sellers?

TikTok Shop is working as a flywheel driven by in-platform affiliates, not by paid ads or your own content. The session at ECF was led by Paul, an operator doing roughly $1 million a month on TikTok Shop. His playbook has three pieces: pick one hero product, pre-seed creators before you launch, and let TikTok’s own affiliate marketplace do the compounding once sales start.

Once your product starts converting, your store climbs TikTok’s internal ranking charts. Creators see which shops are printing money and jump in on their own. TikTok then pushes those winning products harder in the feed, which pulls in more creators, which drives more sales.

The economics can look wild on both sides. Paul cited one creator with under 500 subscribers who drove more than $90,000 in sales for his brand and personally earned a $20,000 commission. Do not filter creator applications by follower count. The affiliate program in TikTok Shop is opt-in for creators, so approve broadly.

The halo effect on Shopify and Amazon

When Paul’s TikTok Shop product went viral, his Shopify sales climbed roughly 30% in the same window. This halo is one of the most underrated reasons to run TikTok Shop at all. He is not on Amazon, but sellers we talked to who are on both channels saw Amazon spike alongside TikTok on the same viral windows.

The point is not that TikTok Shop itself is your best channel. It is that a viral TikTok drives brand searches into every other channel you run. That halo is what makes the tight margins on TikTok Shop bearable.

The TikTok Shop traps to plan around

Two things will bite you if you go all-in without prep. First, you carry the full risk of an inventory blowout. Paul warned that the moment you go out of stock, the momentum dies and you have to build it back from scratch. If a video takes off and you cannot ship, TikTok’s algorithm moves on.

Second, the margins are heavy on discounting. In one example he cited, a $24 product was sold on TikTok Shop for $6 to $7 to trigger the viral loop. Your gross margin has to survive that price plus a creator commission plus TikTok’s cut. If it cannot, you are buying a viral moment at a loss.

The other structural downside is customer data. TikTok Shop is like Amazon in that you do not get the buyer’s email. You do get their shipping address, which you can push through an address-to-email append service to backfill your list. Unlike Amazon, TikTok Shop lets you drop physical inserts and catalogs in the shipment, so sellers doing serious volume are stuffing every package to drive repeat orders back to their Shopify store.

Why digital products belong on your Shopify store

Digital products on Shopify are quietly one of the highest margin plays in ecommerce, and almost no one at ECF was using them. The sleeper session of the conference was led by Julia, who sells barware (cocktail shakers, not clubwear) on Shopify and Amazon. About 15 people attended. The people who skipped it missed the highest ROI idea of the week.

Julia sells eight courses alongside her physical barware. On Shopify, those digital products account for roughly 20% of total store revenue. The course sits alongside the shaker sets and delivers close to 100% gross margin because there is no COGS and no shipping.

How Julia uses a $150 course as a free-with-purchase incentive

Instead of a PDF lead magnet, Julia’s beginner bartending course sits on the store as a $150 product. If a customer spends over $75 in the store, they get the course free. The customer sees a $150 value stacked on top of their shaker set, and Julia pays nothing to fulfill it because it is a digital download.

The same offer converts corporate gifting orders at a much higher AOV. A company buying gift sets for their top managers loves the idea of throwing in a $150 bartending class for each recipient. Julia earns double the order value and her cost stays flat.

The dance course example: your niche, not your subject

Another seller in the room, who sells a hair-styling product for men with thinning hair, added a digital styling manual on the same principle. His original digital product was a dance course, which sounds unrelated until you hear the angle. He targeted the course specifically at older men whose kids are getting married and who want to be able to dance at the reception. That is the same demographic that buys his hair products.

The dance moves are the same ones you can find free on YouTube. The information gain is the audience-specific packaging. That is the whole game with digital products attached to a physical brand. Take a generic skill your customer needs, position it around the specific moment they need it, and stack it on top of the physical order.

Shopify has native integrations that deliver digital downloads if you already sell there. If you are on WordPress, WooCommerce plus a digital-products plugin handles it in an afternoon.

What is working on Meta Ads in 2024

Meta Ads still work for most stores at ECF, but the sentiment is that they feel like a roller coaster. The session that packed the room was Taylor Holiday and David Herman on Facebook ads for physical product brands. The first half was almost entirely about finances, not creative. If your unit economics do not support ad spend, no ad platform will save you.

An ECF attendee volunteered their real store numbers for a live case study. Operating expenses alone came out to more than 40% of revenue. Once cost of goods was added in, the store was running at roughly negative 10% profit before any ad spend. The advice was blunt. Fix the P&L first, then run ads.

Why average order value between $60 and $80 is the sweet spot

David Herman said the ideal average order value for Meta Ads sits between $60 and $80. That range matches the impulse-buy zone for someone scrolling their feed. Products priced meaningfully higher than that require a lot more spend to determine whether ads even work, because the conversion rate drops and the sample size you need to trust the data grows.

The math is simple. Nobody buys a $200 product on impulse while scrolling. If your product is above the impulse-buy range, plan on a longer testing budget, retargeting flows, and more creative variation to warm cold traffic.

The beginner-friendly Meta Ads structure they recommended

The structure they recommended for stores just starting on Meta was intentionally simple: one campaign, Advantage+ Shopping, and roughly three ads pulled from your best-performing creative. Then scale spend on winners. This is a much cleaner starting point than the seven-campaign, dozens-of-ad-sets architectures that were popular a few years ago, and Meta’s algorithm has moved in that direction.

How ecommerce sellers are using AI right now

AI is already useful for ecommerce content, images, and data, and the pace of improvement is the real story. Kevin Williams gave the AI session and the line that landed was, “This is the worst it is ever going to be.” He walked through iterations of an AI-generated dog food ad that started as a mess and ended as a photo-real image of a golden retriever with the client’s product.

The current state of practical use for a Shopify store owner falls into three buckets: images, ideas, and data.

AI images and video for product marketing

AI images are already good enough to build hero photos, model shots, and lifestyle scenes without a photo studio. In my own course, one student redesigned a cat harness product page using AI-generated cats and then Photoshopped her actual harness onto the generated image. It looked completely real.

Another student who sells purses could not afford models. She used Midjourney to generate the models and then Photoshopped her own bag into the shot. The output looks like she paid for a full studio day.

The workflow is the same on the dog food example. Generate the scene, then Photoshop your actual SKU into it. AI cannot yet render your exact product accurately, but it can render everything around it. On video, the tools shown at ECF were already good enough to replace stock b-roll for YouTube. That alone is a five-figure-per-year saving on a Storyblocks-style subscription for any brand doing serious video.

AI for content ideas and beating the blank page

Kevin’s other point was that the highest ROI use of AI right now is destroying the blank page. Feed a model your brand, your product line, your style, and your customer, and ask for 100 video ideas or 100 blog post outlines. You will never sit down to a blank document again.

He also recommended paying for ChatGPT rather than using the free tier. His view: the free tier is not accurate enough for serious commercial work, and on the free tier you are the product.

AI for Klaviyo segmentation and data

Klaviyo now ships an AI segment builder that lets you describe a segment in plain English (for example, “everyone who spent over $100 in a single transaction in the last 90 days”) and generates the segment for you. It is not perfect. On complex prompts it misses, but it gets close enough that you can hand-correct the resulting filters.

The broader lesson from Kevin’s talk: AI as a data mining and summarization layer over your existing tools (Klaviyo, GA4, Shopify) is where the highest-leverage wins are for existing operators.

What sellers are actually asking about in masterminds

The mastermind pods at ECF this year (Andrew Youderian broke the room into small “houses” of about 25 sellers) surfaced the same question over and over. Sellers doing well on one D2C channel, usually Meta Ads or Amazon, want to know how to build a real content operation on top of a real brand.

One eight-figure seller in the room built a supplement-adjacent, herbal, all-natural product. His opening line to the pod was, “We bought the fifth largest winery in Colorado, but we don’t make wine.” That is the entire content strategy for that brand, and he did not know it. Every founder at that table was pulled in by that one sentence. Video of the fermentation process alone would carry TikTok, Instagram Reels, and YouTube.

The lesson: most operators have a founder story that is 10x more compelling than the ads they are running. They just do not hear it as marketing.

The “director of marketing” question every $3M seller asks

Another sellers with a roughly $3M business wanted to hire a local director of marketing at $150K a year. The room pushed back. If you have been running the marketing and it is working, document your process as SOPs, then hire an overseas operator from the Philippines or Colombia to execute the SOPs. Save $100K per year and postpone the senior hire until the business is a size that comfortably justifies it.

How TikTok Shop, Meta Ads, and digital products compare for a physical product seller

Different channels solve different problems. Here is the frame we heard from operators actually doing all three.

ChannelBest forMargin requiredCustomer dataMain risk
TikTok ShopViral hero products, brand awareness haloVery high (heavy discounting)Address only, no emailInventory blowout kills momentum
Meta AdsPredictable D2C growth at $60 to $80 AOVHealthy (need to cover OpEx plus ad spend)Full customer dataRoller coaster performance, creative fatigue
Shopify digital productsFree-with-purchase incentives, AOV lift, corporate giftingNearly 100% marginFull customer dataRequires real course production
AmazonSearch-driven volumeModerateLimitedPlatform risk, no email

The stack that came up most at ECF was Meta Ads plus Shopify plus a digital product for AOV lift, with TikTok Shop as an opportunistic bet if a specific SKU looks like a viral candidate.

Frequently asked questions

Is TikTok Shop worth it for small ecommerce brands in 2024?

TikTok Shop is worth it if you have one hero product with margin thick enough to survive 60% to 75% discounting plus a creator commission plus TikTok’s cut, and enough inventory to survive a viral spike. The halo into Shopify (roughly 30% lift in one ECF case) and the free brand exposure are what make the platform pay back, even more than the direct sales.

How much should I spend on Meta Ads to see if they work?

David Herman’s rule at ECF is that you want to reach roughly $1,000 per day in Meta spend for a beginner store, ramped up from a smaller test budget. Before you spend a dollar, make sure your average order value is $60 to $80 and your operating expenses plus COGS leave real margin for ad spend. If the P&L is already at breakeven, ads will lose you money.

What is the best AI tool for ecommerce right now?

For a store owner today, the practical stack is paid ChatGPT for content ideas, Midjourney or DALL-E for lifestyle and model images (with Photoshop for the actual product), Klaviyo’s built-in AI segment builder for email, and one of the AI video tools (Runway, Pika, or Sora once available) for b-roll. There is no single tool that does it all.

Can I use AI-generated product images if the product does not physically exist yet?

You can use AI to render a scene, a model, or a lifestyle backdrop, but you should Photoshop your real product into the image rather than relying on AI to render it accurately. AI still struggles with specific SKU details (pet food texture, exact garment cuts, logos). The hybrid approach (AI scene plus real product) is what most sellers at ECF are actually shipping.

What is the “halo effect” from TikTok Shop?

The halo effect is the secondary lift on your other channels (Shopify direct, Amazon, brand search) that comes from going viral on TikTok Shop. One ECF operator reported a roughly 30% Shopify sales lift during his TikTok Shop viral window. That halo is often more valuable than the direct TikTok Shop revenue.

Do I really need to attend an in-person ecommerce conference to stay current?

The value from an event like ECF is the hallway conversation and mastermind pod, not the sessions. Real operators sharing real P&L numbers and specific channel results is not something you get from a podcast or a blog post. If you can afford one industry event a year, pick the one where the room is small and the attendees are actually running seven and eight figure stores.

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527: Insider Perspectives And Ecommerce Trends From 7, 8 & 9 Figure Sellers At ECF Live With Toni Herrbach

527: Insider Perspectives And Trends From Speaking to 7, 8 & 9 Figure Ecommerce Sellers At ECF Live With Toni Herrbach

The seven, eight, and nine figure ecommerce sellers at eCommerce Fuel Live in New Orleans are frustrated with Meta, frustrated with Klaviyo, and quietly moving budget toward affiliate-driven creators and organic social. That was the loudest shared signal across four days of hallway conversation, small “house” masterminds, and dinners with operators running real physical product businesses. Most of the sellers still doing well have a real moat, a real content operation, or both.

This is part one of my ECF Live 2024 recap with my co-host Toni Herrbach. Everything below is what real operators told us in person, not what LinkedIn is talking about.

Here is what actual seven and eight figure ecommerce sellers are complaining about, betting on, and switching to in 2024.

Key takeaways

  • Meta Ads sentiment is at a multi-year low across the room. The complaint is dependency, not deliverability. Sellers now realize their whole business dies if the iOS 14 style shock happens again.
  • Klaviyo customers are frustrated with post-IPO pricing, slower support, and IP deliverability. SendLane pitched 30% to 50% cheaper for equivalent functionality at ECF.
  • Influencers entertain, creators educate. Educational creators convert dramatically better for physical product brands than lifestyle influencers.
  • Sellers with real moats (proprietary design, distribution, contractor relationships) are the ones still growing in a rough year.
  • Roughly half of the sellers in the room run two or more separate ecommerce or content businesses. Single-brand focus is less common than the internet suggests.
  • One reel, one comment, one product feature can change the trajectory of a physical product business. Real examples came up all week (collapsible dog crates, stylish compression socks, a viral nail-mixing reel).

Why is every ecommerce seller frustrated with Meta Ads right now?

The frustration is not that Meta Ads stopped working, it is that operators just realized how completely dependent they are on a single unstable channel. In our ocean-themed “house” of 25 sellers, almost every introduction turned into a complaint about Meta, and every complaint got collective nods from the rest of the room.

The trigger for a lot of the anger is older than 2024. Apple’s iOS 14 privacy changes broke attribution and conversion tracking for a lot of small-to-mid direct-to-consumer brands, and the recovery has been uneven. One high-fashion seller in the room described a business that was fantastic on Meta two years ago and has been fighting for stability ever since.

The deeper issue is structural. Sellers realized their business would not exist without Meta. That is the same story we saw with Amazon sellers five years ago, and the takeaway is the same: you need a second channel that can actually pay the bills, not just supplement them.

What sellers are moving budget to instead

The channels getting the extra attention at ECF this year are affiliate-driven creator relationships (especially on TikTok Shop) and owned organic social. Patrick’s wife runs a nail polish brand and a single Facebook reel of her mixing polish went viral over the holidays and drove a huge chunk of Q4 revenue. That is not a paid ad, and it did not depend on iOS attribution.

Why sellers are unhappy with Klaviyo after the IPO

Klaviyo customers at ECF are unhappy with the pricing, the slower support, and the deliverability. Klaviyo has sponsored ECF and my podcast for years, and this is the first year Andrew Youderian let a competing email platform (SendLane) sponsor ECF. That is a meaningful signal about how the room is feeling.

The pricing complaint is loudest for sellers spending $2,000 to $5,000 per month on the platform. The perception is that Klaviyo’s focus shifted toward enterprise after going public and the seven-figure customer no longer feels like a priority. Support that used to be human is now gated by an AI chatbot for the first ten minutes of any interaction, which is fine for tier-one questions and painful for anyone past that.

The deliverability issue nobody talks about

The deliverability story surfaced at my lunch table. I ran quarterly deliverability tests using GlockApps (which tests inbox placement across major providers) right after Gmail and Yahoo tightened DMARC, DKIM, and SPF enforcement. On two of three test runs, my Klaviyo account was sent from an IP that was on a spam blacklist. My students in the class ran the same test and got the same result.

An operator running very high email volume explained why. Klaviyo has internal tiers (bronze, silver, gold) that determine which IP pool sends your mail. Gold-tier senders get the clean pool and Klaviyo aggressively kicks anyone off it who trips a spam threshold (roughly 0.1% complaint rate). Bronze-tier senders sit on shared pools that include weaker sender reputations. There is no way to know which tier you are on, and you cannot buy your way in.

For context, the same test on Drip (which I use for my blog) came back clean on all three runs. If email is a serious channel for you and you send under 5-10 million per month (the threshold where a dedicated IP starts to make sense), the platform’s shared-pool reputation matters and it is worth testing.

SendLane’s pitch: 30% to 50% cheaper than Klaviyo

SendLane’s booth pitch at ECF was 30% to 50% cheaper than Klaviyo for equivalent ecommerce email functionality, plus white-glove migration for anyone switching off Klaviyo. Migration is the real friction with any email platform switch (rebuilding flows, re-tagging subscribers, warming a new sender reputation), which is why most frustrated Klaviyo customers stay put. If the migration is done for you, the math starts working.

Influencers entertain, creators educate: the framing that changed the room

The single biggest “aha” moment in my house was the distinction between influencers and creators. Most physical product sellers who tried influencer marketing and got nothing back were actually paying influencers, not creators. Those are two different audiences with two different purchase intents.

InfluencerCreator
PurposeEntertainsEducates
ContentLifestyle, outfits, brunch, travel photosHow-to, tutorials, deep-dive reviews, in-niche expertise
AudienceFollows for entertainmentFollows to learn a specific skill or make a specific purchase
Conversion for physical product brandsLow. Even Kim Kardashian placements have produced disappointing sales.High. Audience is already in “solve my problem” mode.
ExampleLifestyle Instagram accountsJamerill (large family cooking, drives real cookware sales)

The concrete test: if a creator you are evaluating mentioned a pot or a bowl in a video and their audience actually bought it, they are a creator worth paying. If they post their outfit and their brunch and their vacations, they are an influencer, and their audience will not convert on your physical product.

Why my YouTube channel converts for BigCommerce and Shopify

The example I used at the table was my own YouTube channel. It exists to educate people on starting an ecommerce business. When I make a video about BigCommerce or Shopify, the viewer is already actively evaluating platforms and my conversion rate as an affiliate is much higher than a general “tech lifestyle” channel would be. Same product, same commission rate, different audience intent, dramatically different results.

The right way to run creator outreach

Most sellers who say “influencer marketing failed for me” reached out to three or four people. That is not a campaign, that is a test with a sample size of zero. The realistic hit rate on cold outreach to educational creators is low, so you need to run it at volume (dozens to hundreds of reaches) and then invest in the one or two relationships that do land. For most brands, running that outreach through an established platform like ShareASale or Refersion is more efficient than one-off DMs.

The sellers who are still growing all have a moat

The ECF operators who are having a good 2024 all share one thing: a real defensible moat. One seller in my house sells electrical outlets that install inside a bathroom drawer so you can plug in a hair dryer and keep the counter clean. His moat is a proprietary design, a base of contractors who install his product in new builds, and a repeat-purchase relationship with those contractors on every job.

That is three moats stacked (product IP, distribution, and repeat customer channel), and it is why his business is growing while others are flat. Compare that to a seller running a commodity product on Meta Ads. When one channel wobbles, the commodity seller has nothing to fall back on.

The lesson we heard repeatedly: your moat can be a design patent, an exclusive distribution channel, a first-party audience (email list, YouTube, podcast), or an operating capability (customer service, unboxing, community). Something has to make you hard to replace.

How many businesses do 7 figure ecommerce sellers actually run?

Roughly half of the sellers in my breakfast and dinner conversations at ECF run two or more separate ecommerce or content businesses. That surprised me because the online narrative for focused operators is “one brand, one focus, one moat.”

Examples from the week: one seller runs compression socks plus a data business. Our friend Blake sells face paint and decorative flags and two other stores. Heidi and her husband run a main brand plus a separate odds-and-ends store. One seller who sells collapsible dog crates runs another business on the side.

The pattern is not what you would guess. These are not lifestyle-brand-plus-course stacks. Most are two or more real physical-product operations, run in parallel, often as a hedge against a single-channel or single-brand collapse. That is worth thinking about if the “focus on one thing” advice has kept you from a second product line that would materially de-risk the whole business.

The content gap: most ecommerce sellers still cannot make content about their own products

Most sellers at ECF do not make content around their products, and it is the biggest gap in the room. Everything on Amazon is outsourceable (listing, PPC, creative). Once you get a product idea, you can hire good agencies to run every operational piece. But brand and content are the opposite: there are very few good outsource shops, the good ones are expensive, and it is very hard to hand off “our story” to someone who does not live inside the business.

The content mistake almost everyone makes

The mistake is making the content about the product. Nobody wants to watch a video about how cotton balls are different from each other. What actually converts is content about the customer’s life around the product.

Anja, a Seller Summit attendee, sells fashionable first aid kits for moms. Her content strategy is spring break travel tips, playground packing lists, and seasonal parenting content, with the first aid kit woven in as part of the pack. Her audience finds her through “spring break travel ideas,” not through “how to put on a band-aid.” The kit is the product, but it is never the subject of the content.

The same rule holds for a Shopify keepsake store. You do not talk about the keepsake, you talk about the people who buy keepsakes. You share the day-to-day of the business, funny things that happen, the founder’s story. Over time the audience trusts you, and when they need a keepsake, your brand is the one they think of.

One comment, one product, one reel: how physical product businesses actually get born

Two founder-origin stories from the ECF women’s breakfast landed hard: the collapsible dog crate and the stylish compression socks. Both businesses started with a single offhand comment that reframed a problem, and both are now real physical product companies.

The collapsible dog crate founder was trying to collapse her existing crate, smashed her finger, and someone said “you should design one that actually collapses easily.” Five years later, that is her business. The compression socks founder was a driver who complained about long hours in the car, was told by a friend to wear compression socks, thought they were ugly, and decided to build stylish ones. Same pattern.

The takeaway: your next product idea is probably sitting in a conversation you had this week. Physical product businesses that scale usually solve one specific irritation with a real design change, not a general “here is another version of the thing everyone sells.”

ECF vs Amazon-focused events: two different rooms

The rooms at ECF and at Amazon-focused events feel almost opposite. Most ECF attendees run Shopify or BigCommerce stores and think they should be on Amazon. Most Amazon-focused event attendees run Amazon and think they should be on Shopify. Nobody is ever fully happy.

The honest read: Amazon is a search engine and it captures demand that is not on your website. If real customers are typing your product category into Amazon search, you should be there in some form (even if it starts as merchant fulfilled and grows into FBA). And direct-to-consumer stores need Amazon less than they think, but they still probably need it a little.

Frequently asked questions

Are ecommerce sellers really moving off Meta Ads in 2024?

Sellers at ECF are not moving off Meta Ads. They are reducing their dependency on Meta by building a second or third channel (organic social, TikTok Shop, creator partnerships, email) that can carry meaningful revenue if Meta wobbles. The pain is dependency, not the platform itself.

Is Klaviyo still worth it for a 7 figure ecommerce store?

Klaviyo is still the most feature-complete ecommerce email platform, and for stores generating meaningful email revenue it is usually still worth the cost. But post-IPO pricing pushed a lot of seven-figure operators to evaluate SendLane or return to Drip or Omnisend. If Klaviyo is costing more than 3% of email revenue, run a real bake-off before renewing.

What is the difference between an influencer and a creator?

Influencers entertain. Creators educate. Influencers post lifestyle content (outfits, travel, brunch) to an audience that follows for entertainment. Creators post tutorials, how-tos, and deep expertise to an audience actively looking to learn or buy in that niche. Creators convert dramatically better for most physical product brands.

How do I know if I am building a real moat?

You have a real moat if a well-funded competitor could not clone your business in six months. Real moats include a proprietary design (patent or hard-to-replicate manufacturing), an exclusive distribution channel (contractors, retail relationships), a first-party audience (email, YouTube, podcast), or a repeat-purchase relationship your competitors cannot buy. If your only moat is your Meta ad account, you do not have a moat.

Should a 7 figure seller run one brand or multiple brands?

Both work at ECF, but the honest read from the room is that operators running multiple brands are usually hedging against single-channel risk, not chasing more upside. If your primary business is stable and you have real bandwidth, a second product line can materially de-risk the whole operation. If you are still fighting to make the first brand work, focus.

How do I make content about a boring product?

You do not make content about the product. You make content about the customer’s life around the product. A first aid kit brand posts about travel and playgrounds. A keepsake store posts about the moments that produce keepsakes. A tarp brand posts about renovation projects. The product appears as part of the story, never as the subject.

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526: Temu Is Killing US Businesses! Is Yours Next?

Temu is killing US businesses

Temu is hurting US ecommerce businesses that sell commodity, unbranded products (especially cheap apparel), and it is barely touching brands with a real value proposition. Temu is losing an estimated $30 per order and hundreds of millions of dollars per year to flood the US with $3 t-shirts and $4 sweaters, funded by two structural advantages US sellers do not have: dramatically cheaper (and possibly forced) labor, and the de minimis loophole that lets any shipment under $800 enter the US duty-free.

This is a solo episode where I walk through what Temu actually is, where the money is going, which US categories are getting crushed, and what a real US ecommerce brand should do about it. My friend Jerry Kozak, who runs an eight-figure t-shirt business, has watched his Amazon apparel revenue drop roughly 50% since Temu and Shein hit the US in 2022.

Here is what is happening, why it works right now, and what the actual defense looks like for a US seller.

Key takeaways

  • Temu is losing roughly $30 per order and $588M to $954M per year on purpose. It is Amazon’s early playbook: burn cash to grab household-name status, then raise prices.
  • The de minimis loophole lets any shipment under $800 enter the US duty-free. Temu ships direct-to-consumer from China so it pays zero tariffs, while US importers pay full duties on containers.
  • Apparel is the hardest-hit category. The entire Amazon apparel category is down roughly 30% year over year per an Amazon rep.
  • Commodity, unbranded sellers are in real trouble. Brands with a clear emotional value proposition (True Classic Tees, Dr. Squatch) are barely affected.
  • Custom, B2B, and relationship-driven revenue is your durable moat. The half of Jerry’s business that prints for NATO and college sports teams is untouched.

What is Temu and how are its prices so low?

Temu is a Chinese-owned online marketplace, a subsidiary of PDD Holdings (publicly traded on NASDAQ) that ships thousands of products direct from Chinese factories to US consumers at prices that do not add up on paper. Think $3.37 for a pair of shoes or $4.50 for a woman’s sweater, with free shipping in about a week.

Wired’s investigation, confirmed by a company insider, found Temu is losing roughly $30 per order on average. Across the US, Canada, Australia, and New Zealand, the annual loss is estimated between $588 million and $954 million. In under a year of aggressive US expansion, Temu already has about one third of Amazon’s US monthly active users.

Temu can price this low because of two structural advantages, and both matter for how a US seller should think about the threat.

Advantage 1: Chinese labor costs (with a serious asterisk)

Chinese factory labor is dramatically cheaper than any US alternative, and part of the labor going into Temu products may be forced. Per the LA Times, products made in China’s western Xinjiang province are being sold to US consumers through Temu in breach of a US ban on Xinjiang-sourced goods. Former detainees, researchers, and advocacy groups have alleged the Chinese government put more than one million people in detention camps in Xinjiang and that laborers in fields and factories were forced or coerced to produce goods for Temu.

The Chinese government calls the camps “re-education.” I do not believe them and no independent observer has been able to verify their claims. What is not in dispute is that Temu’s cost structure benefits from a labor pool with no US-equivalent floor on wages, safety, or consent.

Advantage 2: the de minimis loophole

The de minimis rule lets any shipment into the US valued under $800 enter with zero tariffs, taxes, or customs duties. Temu ships direct to individual consumers, so every order slips under that ceiling. A US apparel brand importing a container of the same shirts pays full duty on the whole load.

Here is the practical math on t-shirts: a blank tee costs a US brand about $2, plus roughly $4 to ship inside the US. Add printing and margin, and the retail price has to land north of $20 for the business to survive. Temu delivers a printed shirt from China to a US doorstep for under $7, shipping included.

Which US ecommerce categories are actually getting hit by Temu?

Temu is hurting commodity, low-price, unbranded ecommerce most, especially apparel, and the damage tapers off quickly once a category requires trust, brand, or a strong emotional buy. Jerry Kozak (guest on a prior podcast episode, runs an eight-figure t-shirt business on Amazon and Shopify) has seen his Amazon apparel sales drop by about half since Temu and Shein hit the US in 2022. That is a single seller in the most exposed category, so take the number with a grain of salt.

The category-wide signal is more concrete. An Amazon representative said the entire Amazon apparel category is down roughly 30% year over year. Other apparel and ecommerce operators in the communities I belong to are seeing the same drag.

The pattern is clear: the sellers being wiped out are the ones selling generic products with no real differentiation, no brand equity, and no reason for a consumer to prefer them beyond price. If your only pitch was “cheaper than the other guy,” Temu wins that fight forever.

Is Temu going to keep losing this much money forever?

Temu is not going to burn $500M+ per year forever, and the endgame is the Amazon playbook: subsidize into household-name status, then start raising prices. That is exactly what Pinduoduo (Temu’s parent) did to dominate China, and it is what Amazon itself did in the US in the early 2000s.

Two things could disrupt that plan. First, Temu is squeezing Chinese suppliers to price levels that even Chinese manufacturers cannot make money at. One Chinese manufacturer (referred to as “Tai Chi” in reporting) joined Temu in 2022 and quickly found he had no control over pricing. Temu asks you to lower prices, then Temu decides what “lower” means. Refuse, and you get delisted. Suppliers are already leaving.

Second, US regulatory scrutiny is real. TikTok is under active pressure to divest or be banned in the US. Temu is under scrutiny for data collection on US citizens and for Xinjiang sourcing. If Congress closes the de minimis loophole (there are active proposals to do this), Temu loses one of its two structural advantages overnight.

How US ecommerce brands actually beat Temu

You beat Temu by making the price comparison irrelevant. Your customer has to want your product for a reason that a $3 Chinese knockoff cannot deliver. The two categories that are working right now: emotional value propositions and relationship or customization-driven revenue.

How True Classic Tees sells $25 t-shirts against $3 competition

True Classic Tees sells plain solid-color t-shirts (arguably the most commoditized category in apparel) for about $25 each and has crossed $250 million in revenue since launching in 2019. Temu literally sells the same physical product for a fraction of the price.

The reason True Classic Tees wins is the ad. Their commercials open on an overweight guy in a badly-fitting shirt with his belly hanging out, then cut to the same man in a True Classic Tee looking dramatically more flattering (biceps emphasized, midsection hidden). The product promise is not “a shirt.” It is “a shirt that makes you look better.”

Temu can undercut the price. Temu cannot manufacture the mindshare, the ad creative, or the emotional promise. That is the moat.

How Dr. Squatch sells premium men’s soap

Dr. Squatch sells premium bar soap to men, most of whom (myself included) do not think about soap the rest of the time. Their ad creative does not talk about ingredients or lather or exfoliation. It shows a woman getting close to her partner and saying, essentially, “you smell so good I want to jump you right now.”

The product is soap. The purchase is confidence, attraction, and identity. Temu can sell a bar of Chinese soap at half the price. It cannot replicate the reason a man reaches for Dr. Squatch instead.

Jerry Kozak’s other half: custom B2B

Back to Jerry. Half of his t-shirt business dropped in half. The other half of his business (custom prints for NATO, for college sports teams, for other organizations) is completely untouched. That revenue does not compete on Amazon search results and it does not care what Temu is doing.

Those customers stay because of the customer service, the attention to detail, and the years of trust Jerry has built. Temu has no way to enter that market. Every US ecommerce brand needs some version of that non-search, non-price-competitive revenue stream.

How Temu compares to a US ecommerce brand on the same t-shirt

Temu (direct from China)US ecommerce brand
Product costUnder $2 (aggressive supplier squeeze, possibly forced labor)~$2 blank tee, plus printing
ShippingFree, direct-to-consumer from China~$4 domestic shipping
Import duties$0 (de minimis loophole under $800)Full tariff on the container
Retail priceUnder $7, delivered$20+ to survive
Delivery timeAbout one week2 to 5 days
Losing money per order~$30 per order (funded by parent company)Must be profitable

The math does not work for a US commodity seller. It works fine for a brand whose customer does not shop on price.

What US sellers should actually do about Temu right now

Three concrete moves. Do the ones that fit your business.

First, get out of pure commodity plays. If you are selling a generic product with no brand, no design IP, and no customer loyalty, you are not competing with Temu on that product long term. Reposition into a defensible niche or add a real emotional angle to your marketing.

Second, build a non-search revenue stream. B2B custom orders, subscription boxes, wholesale relationships, community-driven direct sales. Any revenue that does not require you to win an Amazon search result at the lowest price is revenue Temu cannot touch.

Third, engage on policy. If the de minimis loophole feels unfair, write your congressional representative. There are active bipartisan proposals to close it. If forced-labor sourcing bothers you as a consumer, do not buy from Temu. Real consumer pressure is one of the few things that moves this fast.

Frequently asked questions

Is Temu really killing US ecommerce businesses?

Temu is hurting US ecommerce businesses that sell commodity, unbranded, low-price products (especially apparel, where the entire Amazon apparel category is down roughly 30% year over year). It is not meaningfully hurting brands with a real emotional value proposition or a relationship-driven customer base. If your only pitch is “cheaper,” you are exposed. If your customer buys you for a reason beyond price, you are largely fine.

How does Temu sell products so cheap?

Temu sells products cheap for three reasons stacked on top of each other. Its parent company (PDD Holdings) is subsidizing an estimated $30 loss per order to buy US market share. It benefits from dramatically lower Chinese labor costs, some of which allegedly involves forced labor from Xinjiang. And it uses the US de minimis loophole to import products duty-free by shipping direct to individual consumers under the $800 per-shipment threshold.

What is the de minimis loophole?

The de minimis loophole is a US customs rule that lets any single shipment valued under $800 enter the country duty-free, with no tariffs or import taxes. Temu ships every product direct from Chinese factories to individual US consumers, so every order qualifies. US brands that import inventory in bulk pay full duty on the container.

Which ecommerce categories are safest from Temu?

Categories that require trust, expertise, customization, safety certification, or a strong emotional connection are safest. Custom B2B printing, high-touch subscription products, premium branded goods with real ad creative (like True Classic Tees or Dr. Squatch), specialty food and beverage, health and supplement brands, and any category where consumers vet the seller before buying. Generic apparel, generic accessories, and generic household goods are the most exposed.

Will Temu keep losing hundreds of millions per year?

Temu will not lose money at this scale forever. The playbook (borrowed from Amazon and PDD’s own Chinese subsidiary Pinduoduo) is to subsidize into household-name status, then raise prices. It could be disrupted early if the US closes the de minimis loophole, if regulators act on data-privacy or Xinjiang-sourcing concerns, or if Chinese suppliers keep leaving faster than Temu can replace them.

Should I be worried about Temu if I run a niche Shopify brand?

If you have real brand equity, emotional ad creative, and a customer who buys you for a reason beyond price, you should not be worried about Temu. Watch your Amazon revenue for the same category compression that hit apparel, and make sure you are not one policy change away from losing your entire business. Build a second revenue stream (custom, B2B, subscription, community) that does not depend on winning search results at the lowest price.

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525: The Dreaded March Google Core Update And It’s Implications On Content Creation

The Dreaded March Google Core Update And It's Implications On Content Creation

The March 2024 Google core update did four big things at once: killed AI-generated content sites, killed expired-domain SEO plays, killed paid guest posts on Forbes-tier sites, and dramatically promoted Reddit, Quora, and LinkedIn to the top of the search results. My blog traffic is down roughly 25% and everyone in my SEO mastermind is worse. The counterintuitive fix is a return to the way blogging worked in 2015: real personal opinions, real stories, real experience.

This is a Profitable Audience episode with my co-host Toni Herrbach, where I walk through what actually changed in the update, why some content creators got wiped out, and why I am oddly optimistic about writing on the internet again.

Here is what changed, why it broke so many affiliate sites, and what content creators should actually do next.

Key takeaways

  • The March 2024 update hit four categories at once: AI content, expired domain abuse, site reputation abuse (paid links on Forbes-tier sites), and low-quality content.
  • Reddit, Quora, and LinkedIn now dominate the top of Google search. Reddit shows up in roughly 97.5% of product-review SERPs where its feature appears, per Glenn Allsopp’s analysis of 10,000 product review terms.
  • The affiliate site playbook of the last eight years (short, keyword-optimized, opinion-free “just the answer” pages) is now underperforming original, opinionated, personal content.
  • My blog dropped 25%. Some peers lost 90% plus. One friend went from 1M monthly visits to 11K.
  • Google search quality is measurably worse for many product-review and how-to queries. Users are shifting to ChatGPT, Perplexity, TikTok, and Pinterest.
  • Pinterest is quietly having a moment. Its fastest-growing demographic is 16-24 year olds.

What actually changed in the March 2024 Google core update?

The March 2024 Google core update targeted four specific abuse patterns and rebalanced who wins in the SERPs, and the rebalancing is where most legitimate site owners got hit. Google announced the update on March 5, 2024, and rollout was expected to take about a month. Here is what changed and how each piece affected real websites.

1. AI-generated content sites got deindexed

Sites whose entire content library was AI-generated and regurgitated (no original research, no first-hand experience, just paraphrased search results) got hit with manual penalties or dropped out of the index entirely. Google waffled on its AI policy for over a year (was AI content allowed if you “edited” it? unclear). This update ended the ambiguity: if the content is AI slop with no unique value, it is out.

Two related signals sit alongside this. Amazon is now asking sellers whether they used AI to write their listings. YouTube is rolling out a similar disclosure checkbox. Neither has confirmed what happens if you say yes, but neither is a good outcome. If you say no and Google (or Amazon, or YouTube) later detects otherwise, that is a self-inflicted trust penalty.

2. Expired domain abuse was penalized

Expired domain abuse is the practice of buying an aged domain with existing backlinks and rebuilding an entirely different site on top of that backlink profile. That trick has been around forever (I first learned about it years ago at FinCon), and it worked because Google was rewarding domain authority signals inherited from the domain’s previous life. Google is now specifically detecting and demoting sites that do this.

3. Site reputation abuse: paid Forbes/Business Insider links got killed

Site reputation abuse is the pattern where large publishers (Forbes, Business Insider, and similar) sell placements to third parties who then get to write articles under the publisher’s authority. If you have gotten those cold emails offering guaranteed Forbes placement “with a fee associated,” this is that market.

Google specifically targeted this pattern in the update. A friend of mine ran a legitimate large-scale guest posting operation (real, well-written articles that also linked to partner sites in his network) and had grown his site to 1 million visits per month. After this update, he is down to about 11,000. Total collapse.

This is worth understanding even if you never did paid Forbes placements, because the legitimate version (real guest posts, real reciprocity) is now also under suspicion in Google’s models.

4. Low-quality content in general got demoted

The broader theme is that content that regurgitates what everyone else says (the classic “skyscraper” playbook: find a ranking post, rewrite it longer) is now underperforming original, opinionated, experience-based content. That is a real reversal of the last eight years of SEO advice.

Why Reddit, Quora, and LinkedIn are now dominating Google search

The single biggest impact on most site owners is that Google dramatically promoted Reddit, Quora, and LinkedIn in the SERPs, which pushed everyone else down. Google’s public defense (from a senior search executive) was that Reddit has spent decades dealing with spam and its experienced users are quick to flag bad answers. So the logic is: these communities are self-moderating, therefore they must be reliable sources.

The problem: a great spam filter does not mean the people posting know anything. Those are two completely different things. A Reddit user with zero credentials can rank at the top for a medical, financial, or product query because they posted a comment three years ago.

Glenn Allsopp’s data on Reddit domination

Glenn Allsopp of Detailed.com ran a case study on 10,000 product review terms and found:

  • Reddit.com was present in 7,500 of the 10,000 search results.
  • Reddit appeared 14,000 times across those 7,500 results (many results included multiple Reddit threads).
  • Where Reddit’s SERP feature was present, Reddit had a 97.5% chance of showing up, and on average occupied 1.9 of the 3 possible top listings.
  • Of 122 individual Reddit URLs Glenn manually reviewed, 63 (52%) had a top comment with a self-promotional affiliate link, often added months after the original thread was created.

That last point is the gaming pattern. Post a legitimate question three years ago. Watch that thread rank in Google today. Add an affiliate link comment now. Collect commissions. Glenn’s conclusion: Google’s product review results are the worst he has ever seen.

The LinkedIn workaround one operator is using

Here is where it gets absurd. A friend saw his blog post drop in the rankings post-update, so he copied the same content word-for-word onto LinkedIn as a LinkedIn article. The LinkedIn version now ranks number one for the same keyword. He then set up a 301 redirect from his original blog URL to the LinkedIn article, which effectively hands Google the signal that LinkedIn is the authoritative version. His affiliate links live on the LinkedIn post and still earn.

I would not recommend this because you are building on rented land. But it is a real signal about where Google is currently placing trust.

Which categories of sites got hit hardest?

Site typeImpact from March 2024 update
Pure AI-generated content sitesDeindexed or manual penalty. Some sites lost 100% of traffic.
Affiliate sites built on expired domainsHeavy demotion.
Sites reliant on paid Forbes/Business Insider placementsHeavy demotion. One friend went from 1M to 11K monthly visits.
Traditional affiliate review sites (short, keyword-optimized, no first-hand voice)Moderate demotion. My blog dropped roughly 25%.
Ecommerce category and product pagesMostly stable per Jeff Oxford’s portfolio. Roughly 10-15% of sites hit. Ecommerce blogs took the same hit as content sites.
Sites with strong original voice, personal stories, first-hand experienceSome outliers actually gained rankings.

Why some sites with almost no SEO polish are winning right now

There is a small pattern in the outlier winners: sites that look like blogs from 2010. Photos, casual first-person “I bought this and here is what happened” writing, no keyword-optimized H2 stacks, no polished comparison tables. Google is promoting them because the content is unmistakably original and experiential, and the model can tell it was not stitched together from other search results.

This is a real reversal. For roughly the last eight years, Google effectively taught content creators to write like an encyclopedia: strip out your opinions, strip out your stories, get to the answer, keep it short. Every affiliate site optimizer (myself included) rewrote posts in exactly that direction.

Now the same platform is rewarding the opposite. If you kept your voice through the whole “just the facts” era, you got lucky. If you spent 18 months surgically removing your personality from your money pages (I did), the good news is WordPress has a revision history.

What content creators should actually do after the March 2024 core update

Concrete moves, roughly in priority order.

1. Add real experience back to your money pages

Go into your top-earning posts and add your actual opinions, actual test results, actual first-hand experience. Not “5 reasons X is great.” Real specifics: “I ran this tool for 8 months, here is what broke, here is what I would do differently.” That is the content Google is now rewarding, and it is also the content real humans want.

2. Diversify away from Google search

Every operator I trust believes Google search’s dominant era is running out, likely within a few years. Yahoo owned search until Google ate it in about 12 months. If Perplexity or ChatGPT search or whatever comes next becomes materially better, adoption can flip that fast.

Concrete diversification moves working right now:

  • YouTube. My channel now dwarfs my blog for email subs and ad revenue. Video is where the growth is.
  • Pinterest. Fastest-growing demographic is 16-24 year olds. My Pinterest and Google are typically one and two for traffic on a good month. Roughly 45 minutes per week of consistent effort produces meaningful traffic.
  • Podcasts. First-party audience, direct download, no algorithm dependency.
  • Email. Owned channel. Nothing between you and the reader.

3. Use AI as a drafting assistant, not a publishing engine

If you are going to use ChatGPT, pay for the plus tier. Toni tested free versus paid on the same task (email content ideas, birthday party creative) and the paid version was dramatically better. The free version is not accurate enough for commercial use, and on the free tier, you are the product.

The right AI workflow: outline ideas, first drafts, restructuring, script conversion from blog to video. Do not publish AI slop. Anything with your name on it needs your voice and your experience layered on top.

4. If you are in ecommerce, product pages are still mostly fine

Jeff Oxford (who focuses on ecommerce SEO) said only about 10-15% of the ecommerce sites in his portfolio got hit. Product pages, category pages, and collection pages held up better than blog content. My Bumblebee Linens blog got hit, but the money product pages were largely stable. If you run a store, prioritize your commerce URLs and watch your blog like everyone else has to.

Why the search results feel objectively worse right now

The user experience of Google today is measurably worse for a lot of common queries. Toni Googled a specific question about her American Express card yesterday. Historically the first result would have been the American Express help page. Instead she got a Reddit thread with the right keywords but no real answer, followed by more Reddit and Quora threads with no useful information, and ended up back on the Amex site digging manually. That is not an isolated case.

I did the same test on “which is better Shopify or BigCommerce.” Top result was Forbes (a paid review roundup), second was Shopify itself (obviously biased), third was a random Reddit thread titled “any advices for a Shopify BigCommerce new seller.” The intent-matching is broken.

This is why user behavior is shifting fast:

  • Younger users are searching TikTok directly for how-to content and product recommendations.
  • Pinterest is picking up younger search-intent traffic (16-24 year old demographic growing fastest).
  • ChatGPT and Perplexity are absorbing informational queries.
  • Traditional Google is losing the specific kinds of queries where AI answers are clearly better.

Frequently asked questions

What was the March 2024 Google core update?

The March 2024 Google core update was a large ranking algorithm change rolled out starting March 5, 2024, that targeted AI-generated content, expired domain abuse, site reputation abuse (paid links on major publishers), and low-quality regurgitated content. It also dramatically increased how often Reddit, Quora, and LinkedIn appear at the top of the search results. Rollout was expected to take roughly a month.

Why did my affiliate site lose traffic in the March 2024 update?

Most legitimate affiliate sites lost traffic because Reddit, Quora, and LinkedIn were promoted at the expense of independent content sites, not necessarily because your site was penalized. Additional demotions hit sites built on expired domains, sites that used paid guest posts on major publishers, and sites with short “just the answer” affiliate content lacking original opinion or first-hand experience. If your site dropped 20-30%, that is the average impact. Some peers lost 90% plus.

Should I remove AI-generated content from my site?

Yes, if the AI-generated content is generic, paraphrased, and adds nothing original. Google is actively deindexing or manually penalizing sites whose content library is AI slop. If you use AI as a drafting tool (outlines, first drafts, script conversion) and add real first-hand experience, opinion, and expertise on top, you are fine. The rule is whether the finished content adds something new to the web.

Is Reddit really ranking above real websites for most queries now?

Yes for a lot of product-review and how-to queries. Glenn Allsopp’s analysis of 10,000 product review terms found Reddit appeared in 7,500 of them, often occupying multiple top-three positions. Google publicly defended this because Reddit communities self-moderate spam. The problem is that self-moderation does not equal user expertise, so many Reddit answers ranking at the top are written by people with no credentials in the topic.

How do I write blog content that ranks after the March 2024 update?

Write content with real first-hand experience, real opinions, and specifics only you can provide. The eight-year run of short, keyword-optimized, opinion-free “here is the answer” posts is over. Google is now rewarding the style that worked in 2010-2015: personal stories, hands-on test results, actual expertise, real photos and screenshots. Add these back to your top-earning posts first.

Is Google search dying?

Google search dominance is likely running down over the next few years. User behavior is already shifting to ChatGPT and Perplexity for informational queries, TikTok for younger how-to and product queries, and Pinterest for visual and inspiration search. Search itself is not disappearing, but Google’s near-monopoly on it probably is. Diversify your traffic sources now.

Should content creators pivot to Pinterest and YouTube?

Yes if it fits your niche. Pinterest is having a real moment (fastest-growing demographic is 16-24 year olds) and roughly 45 minutes per week of consistent effort can produce meaningful traffic. YouTube is the highest-leverage single channel most content creators can build right now (my channel now generates more email subs and ad revenue than my blog). Both are owned-audience diversification away from Google search risk.

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524: Insider Tips On How To Sell Profitably On Etsy With Scott Voelker

524: Insider Tips On How To Sell Profitably On Etsy With Scott Voelker

The most profitable way to sell on Etsy today is print on demand, using the same launch playbook that works on Amazon: a heavily discounted launch price, Etsy ads to force sales velocity, and an email list you own so you can hit the same customer at every Q4 holiday. Print on demand blanket-style products routinely sell for 79 to 89 dollars with roughly 40 percent margins, and around 80 percent of a typical Etsy seller’s annual revenue lands between November and December.

In this episode of the My Wife Quit Her Job podcast, I sit down with Scott Voelker of Brand Creators, one of the original Amazon podcasters, whose wife Debbie now runs a thriving print on demand Etsy shop that Scott helps market. Scott has interviewed the number-one jewelry seller on Etsy (over 2 million sales) and reviewed dozens of six and seven figure shops, so the numbers and tactics below are pulled directly from what he sees working.

Here is the full playbook: what to sell, how to rank a new listing, how Etsy ads actually work, and how to squeeze the most repeat revenue out of the email tools Etsy quietly added in 2023.

Key takeaways

  • Etsy has roughly 7.5 million sellers and 95 to 100 million buyers, and it is dominated by gift-giving, so around 80 percent of most sellers’ annual revenue lands in Q4.
  • Print on demand (sweatshirts, pillows, flags, ornaments, blankets) counts as handmade on Etsy as long as you design the artwork yourself. Blankets sell for 79 to 89 dollars with about 40 percent margins.
  • The launch formula is Amazon-style: launch the listing, discount 40 percent for a week, run Etsy ads at 25 dollars a day, email your list, and force sales velocity so the algorithm ranks you.
  • Etsy ads have almost no knobs. You pick listings and a daily budget. The real value is using the search-term report to add negative keywords and see which queries actually convert.
  • Since September 6, 2023, Etsy’s Share and Save program refunds 4 percent of your Etsy fees on any sale you drive yourself with your own traffic.
  • Etsy now lets you email customers legally with integrations like AWeber and Everbee. You get consent through the order-status flow, then own the subscriber and can export the list any time.
  • Canva Pro (not Photoshop) plus Creative Fabrica for fonts and elements, and the occasional Fiverr designer, is the entire design stack Debbie uses.

How big is Etsy in 2024 and how much can a print on demand shop make?

Etsy has around 7.5 million sellers and 95 to 100 million active buyers, which is roughly a thousand times smaller than Amazon on the seller side but still a massive gift-focused marketplace where six and seven figure shops are common. Scott interviewed the number-one Etsy jewelry seller who has done over 2 million sales, largely on Etsy alone until adding Shopify in 2021, and now employs about 30 people.

For print on demand specifically, Scott estimates his wife Debbie’s shop could scale to seven figures if they pushed it, and they intentionally cap it because they prefer the lifestyle. A typical benchmark he shared: a first serious Q4 for a new shop can land in the 20,000 to 30,000 dollar range, with veteran million-dollar sellers doing 400,000 to 500,000 dollars in November alone.

The catch on revenue potential is customer support. Print on demand almost always includes personalization (dates, names, monograms), which means real customers with real mistakes and real refund requests. Even with a third-party printer like Printify, you cannot run this fully unattended.

Why Etsy is still an “untapped” marketing channel

Scott’s core argument is that most Etsy sellers do not do any external marketing. They list products, hope the search algorithm favors them, and never build an email list, run ads, or drive outside traffic. Anyone applying standard Amazon or Shopify marketing tactics on Etsy has an enormous edge.

That is why Scott shifted his teaching focus from Amazon to Etsy at Brand Creators. The playbook is nearly identical to what worked on Amazon in the early days, and almost nobody on Etsy is doing it.

What can you actually sell on Etsy with print on demand?

Print on demand on Etsy means sweatshirts, t-shirts, pillows, garden and yard flags, stockings, ornaments, and blankets, all counted as “handmade” so long as you design the artwork yourself. Etsy is actively cracking down on true dropshipping (reselling generic products with no design work), but print on demand where you own the design is fully allowed.

Blankets are one of the strongest categories Scott flagged. A fleece-style blanket with a full one-side print can sell for 79 to 89 dollars with about 40 percent margins, and the listing costs 20 cents for three months whether or not it sells. That is essentially free shelf space with high-ticket upside.

The other reason print on demand fits Etsy so well is that one design multiplies into five products. The same artwork gets loaded onto a pillow, a flag, a blanket, a shirt, and a mug, so a single day of Debbie’s design work spawns a week of listings.

How do you rank a new print on demand listing on Etsy?

You rank a new Etsy listing by forcing sales velocity in the first week, using the same launch tactic that used to work on Amazon: launch at a 40 percent discount, run Etsy ads at 25 dollars a day, email your list to hit the discount, and let the sales spike train Etsy’s algorithm to promote your listing organically. Etsy, like every marketplace, promotes what is already selling.

The mistake Scott sees most new sellers make is “list it and pray.” A perfect SEO title with zero sales history will lose to a mediocre listing with 50 sales in a week, every time. If 50 nearly identical listings exist for the same product, sales velocity is the tiebreaker Etsy actually uses.

Reviews compound on top of that spike. Discounted launch buyers leave reviews, reviews raise conversion rate on future traffic, and higher conversion rate feeds back into the algorithm, all from one aggressive launch week.

Keyword research: use the top-selling listing, not just the tool

Everbee (the Chrome extension for Etsy) is the standard keyword and tag tool, but Scott treats its search-volume numbers as guesses, not truth. His actual research move is to look at the products already selling for the term he wants to rank for, then reverse-engineer their titles and tags.

Everbee can expose a competitor’s 13 backend tags, so you see the exact phrases that are driving sales for the top listing. That is far higher signal than any keyword volume estimate.

One live example he shared: a student was crushing a rustic-wood Christmas Advent sign on TikTok but selling nothing on Etsy. The fix was adding “farmhouse Christmas decoration” to the title, because “farmhouse” is a high-volume Etsy term and her existing title had missed it.

How do Etsy ads work compared to Amazon sponsored ads?

Etsy ads are dramatically simpler than Amazon PPC: you pick which listings to promote and set a daily budget (Scott runs around 25 dollars a day), and that is essentially every control you get. You cannot bid on specific keywords, you cannot exclude products, and you cannot set placement rules.

The one lever you do have is negative keywords on the back end. Etsy shows you which search terms drove clicks to your listing, and you can turn off any query that is irrelevant. For a rustic Christmas sign, that meant killing the generic term “wood” and keeping only Christmas-specific queries.

The reporting is intentionally limited. You see impressions, clicks, orders, and revenue, but Etsy does not deduct your product cost from ROAS.

A reported 15 percent ROAS looks good until you subtract product cost and shipping and realize you broke even. Do that math yourself before you scale spend.

Why running Etsy ads may boost organic rankings too

Scott’s hunch, which matches what many Etsy sellers report, is that running Etsy ads gives you a small organic lift. The reasoning is that Etsy interprets ad spend as “this is a real, serious business,” and rewards it with a nudge on the organic side. There is no confirmation from Etsy, but the correlation is consistent enough that Scott treats ads as both a sales channel and a ranking signal.

How to use Etsy’s built-in email offers to lift conversion

Etsy has three built-in coupon triggers that email buyers on your behalf, using the shopper’s real Etsy inbox and requiring zero email address collection: a “favorited an item” coupon, an “abandoned cart” coupon, and a “post-purchase thank you” coupon. All three are configured inside your Etsy shop and cost nothing to run.

The favorites and cart triggers require a coupon (Scott tested 5 percent, then bumped it to 10 percent because the higher discount converted better). The post-purchase thank-you coupon commonly runs at 20 percent to seed a second order. Etsy reports how many emails were sent and how many sales converted, so you can see exact ROI.

The 90-day retroactive email trick most sellers miss

There is a hidden option most Etsy sellers do not know about: if you turn off a coupon trigger and then turn it back on with a new discount, Etsy will ask if you want to send the new offer to customers from the previous 90 days who favorited or cart-added but did not buy. That is a free retroactive campaign to a warm, product-specific list.

Scott plans to use this every year right after the holidays: raise the favorites coupon from 5 percent to 10 percent, then flip the retroactive box and hit 90 days of Q4 window-shoppers at once.

How to legally collect Etsy customer emails and own the list

Etsy explicitly allows you to email customers about their orders, and you can use those order emails to invite them to opt in to a VIP list you own. AWeber has been the official Etsy email integration for years, and Everbee Email launched in 2023 as a more modern one-click alternative built for Etsy shops.

The compliant flow is: order confirmation email includes a “join our VIP club for early access to new designs” link, the buyer double opts in, and now they are a real email subscriber you control. From there you can export the list to ConvertKit, Klaviyo, or any provider, or keep them in Everbee and email straight from there.

Everbee also pulls your product catalog into the footer of order emails so you can cross-sell your best sellers on every shipping notification. That single addition is a free lift on your average order value.

Etsy Share and Save: the 4 percent fee refund most sellers miss

On September 6, 2023, Etsy launched the Share and Save program, which refunds 4 percent of your Etsy transaction fees on any sale you drive with your own traffic (email, social, blog, ads). Scott ran a case study in October and generated roughly 3,100 dollars from email, which returned about 140 to 150 dollars in fee refunds on top of the sale, essentially free profit for traffic he was already sending.

The signal from Etsy is clear: they want you driving external traffic, and they are willing to pay you to do it. Combine Share and Save with an email list you own and every campaign has an extra 4 percent margin baked in.

How Debbie designs 5 products from 1 idea using Canva

The entire design stack for Debbie’s shop is Canva Pro plus Creative Fabrica for fonts and design elements, with occasional custom illustration work bought on Fiverr. Scott (a longtime Photoshop user) has fully retired Photoshop from his current laptop, because Canva handles every print on demand design job faster.

Cadence matters more than tool choice. Heading into Q4, Debbie pushes roughly one new design per day, and each design gets deployed across five products (pillow, flag, blanket, shirt, mug), so one design day equals five new listings. That output level is what stocks the shop for gift-buying traffic.

Themes rotate seasonally: Christmas heavy from October through December, then Easter and spring in February and March, Mother’s and Father’s Day into May and June, and fall and Halloween from August. The catalog compounds, so evergreen designs (a well-selling Christmas sign) still sell in July when the algorithm surfaces them to gift shoppers.

Do you need AI for Etsy print on demand designs?

Not really, yet. Debbie has experimented with AI art tools and has not found them essential for the personalization-heavy designs she sells. For SVG-driven categories (die-cut signs, layered vinyl) Creative Fabrica still wins on both price and license clarity.

That said, AI is worth testing for on-demand concept ideation and for generating backgrounds and textures. It is a supplement to Canva, not a replacement for the design taste that makes a shop sell.

The step by step launch playbook for a new Etsy print on demand product

Here is the compressed version of Scott’s launch playbook for a new print on demand listing, in the order to execute it.

  1. Design the artwork in Canva Pro. Deploy the same design across five product formats (shirt, pillow, flag, blanket, mug).
  2. Research the top-selling competing listing with Everbee. Copy the title structure and back-end tags that are actually driving sales.
  3. Set the launch price 40 percent below the intended price, and label it as a launch special in the listing copy.
  4. Turn on Etsy ads for the new listings at roughly 25 dollars per day, split across the five formats.
  5. Email your list on day one with the discount and a hard deadline (this week only).
  6. Turn on all three Etsy built-in coupon triggers (favorites at 10 percent, cart-abandon at 15 percent, thank-you at 20 percent).
  7. After 7 days, raise the price to full retail. The listing should now have enough reviews and sales velocity for organic traffic to take over.
  8. Once orders start flowing, use the order-status email flow to invite buyers to your VIP email list. Own that list going forward.

Frequently asked questions

Is print on demand allowed on Etsy in 2024?

Yes, print on demand is allowed on Etsy as long as you are the designer of the artwork applied to the product. Etsy is cracking down on generic dropshipping (reselling unmodified third-party products), but original designs printed by a third-party fulfiller like Printify count as handmade under Etsy’s rules.

How much can you make on Etsy with print on demand?

Print on demand Etsy shops routinely do six figures a year, and the top of the market is well into seven figures. Scott’s wife’s shop hit 20,000 to 30,000 dollars in her first serious Q4, and Scott interviewed one seller doing 400,000 to 500,000 dollars in November alone.

How much do Etsy ads cost and are they worth it?

Etsy ads are usually run at a fixed daily budget (25 dollars a day is a common starting point), and cost per click is typically much lower than Amazon sponsored ads. They are worth running mainly for the sales velocity and search-term data, since the reporting does not deduct product cost from ROAS and you must do that math yourself.

What is Etsy’s Share and Save program?

Etsy’s Share and Save program, launched September 6, 2023, refunds 4 percent of your Etsy transaction fees on any sale you drive with your own outside traffic. Every email, ad, or social post you send that results in a sale earns you a 4 percent fee credit, effectively boosting margin on all self-driven sales.

Can you legally collect Etsy customer emails?

Yes, Etsy allows you to email customers about their order and to invite them to opt in to a separate marketing list, as long as buyers give explicit double-opt-in consent. Integrations like AWeber and Everbee Email automate the opt-in flow and let you export the list to any email provider.

What is the best design tool for Etsy print on demand?

Canva Pro is the most common design tool for Etsy print on demand sellers today, and it has replaced Photoshop for most everyday design work. Sellers often pair it with Creative Fabrica for fonts and design elements, and occasionally hire custom illustrations on Fiverr.

Why does Q4 dominate Etsy sales so much?

Etsy is fundamentally a gift-buying marketplace, so roughly 80 percent of an average seller’s annual revenue lands in November and December. Weddings, Mother’s Day, Father’s Day, and other gift-heavy holidays make up most of the remaining seasonality.

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523: Productivity Tips: How To Get S*** Done When You Have 7 Kids With Toni Herrbach

523: Productivity Tips: How To Get S*** Done When You Have 7 Kids With Toni Herrbach

The most reliable productivity system for a busy entrepreneur is a three-part stack: assign each weekday to one specific business area (theme days) so you never context-switch mid-day, keep a separate menial-task list for the 15 to 35 minute gaps between meetings so those windows are actually productive, and protect at least one fully open day per week for real creative or deep work. That combination is what lets my podcast co-host Toni Herrbach run four businesses, raise seven kids, and still shut down at 3 p.m. on Fridays.

This is a Profitable Audience episode of the My Wife Quit Her Job podcast, where Toni and I compare how we actually schedule our work weeks and where I get her to break down the 46-day morning routine (no phone, treadmill walk, 5-minute meditation, delayed breakfast) that has fully killed the brain fog she was fighting for months.

Below is the full playbook: the theme-day schedule, the menial-task buffer trick, why “being busy” can be a coping mechanism, and the exact new morning routine that made Toni feel like a different person in six weeks.

Key takeaways

  • Theme days beat mixed days. Toni gives every weekday to one business (Monday = client, Tuesday = deep work, Wednesday = course and podcast, Friday = shut down by 3 p.m.). Steve does the same.
  • Every entrepreneur needs at least one fully open day per week as a buffer, because “the fridge broke” or “the kid needs a ride” will destroy any calendar that is 100 percent booked.
  • Keep a separate menial-task list (small admin, contract updates, email templates, Speaker follow-ups) for 15 to 35 minute gaps. Trying to do creative work in those windows produces almost nothing.
  • Toni’s rule: never try to film a video in less than 60 minutes. Small mistakes in a rushed window kill the whole session.
  • Chronically being busy on purpose can be a coping mechanism (a way to avoid processing emotions), not just proof of ambition. Real seasons of overload are different.
  • Bestseller-list book launches cause a real emotional-crash pattern after the launch is over. Plan for a slow recovery period, not a snap-back to full output.
  • Toni’s morning routine at 46 days in: no phone on waking, 30 to 45 minute treadmill walk with an intentional podcast, 5 minutes outside in the sun, 5-minute guided meditation, no breakfast until 10:30 or 11. Result: measurably better blood work and no more 2 p.m. crashes.

Why every entrepreneur needs at least one open day per week

The single biggest productivity mistake busy entrepreneurs make is booking their calendar to capacity, because unplanned emergencies are guaranteed and a fully-booked calendar has no room to absorb them. A screw in your tire, a broken fridge, a sick kid, or a car repair each take 3 to 5 hours out of your day. On a packed calendar those hours have to steal time from real work; on a calendar with one open day, they just fill the buffer.

The book Margin by Richard Swenson makes this case in full: forward progress needs slack, not maximum utilization. If you have zero white space on your calendar, every glitch in the matrix costs you compounding productivity, not just the raw hours lost.

There is a second cost most people underestimate. A surprise interruption also shifts your mindset for hours afterward. A 30-minute tire-shop visit at 8 a.m. can put you in a low-grade irritation state that reduces your output for the rest of the morning, so the “real” cost is often 4 to 5 hours, not 30 minutes.

How theme days let you run multiple businesses without burning out

Theme days mean assigning each weekday to one specific business area or one specific type of work, so you never context-switch inside a day. This is the single biggest structural change that separates entrepreneurs who run 3 to 5 income streams cleanly from entrepreneurs who feel constantly scattered across all of them.

Toni’s week runs like this: Monday is her main client (she already has a team meeting on their calendar, so the whole day is theirs), Tuesday is head-down deep work (no meetings, phone off), Wednesday is course and podcast day (office hours, podcast recording, course email replies), Thursday and Friday flex between the other businesses, with Friday shutting down at 3 p.m.

My week runs on the same principle with different themes. Monday is my biggest production day (2 YouTube videos, 2 podcasts prepped for editing, blog posts).

Wednesday is podcast recording plus office hours. Thursday is Bumblebee Linens day, and Friday is deliberately empty for family time.

Why Tuesday (the “no meetings” day) is the most valuable slot in the week

Tuesday is the day Toni does 15 client emails, writes YouTube scripts, and knocks out anything that requires unbroken concentration. Her rule: no calls, no scheduled anything, phone effectively off. Kids know not to expect a text back, and she stays in flow state for essentially the whole day.

Deep work needs a full uninterrupted window because a single meeting bleeds the entire day. After any live call, most people need 30 to 60 minutes of “un-meeting” decompression before real creative work is possible again, so a day with even one meeting is not really a deep-work day.

The menial-task list: how to make 30-minute gaps productive

Keep a separate menial-task list (small admin work, contract updates, email templates, quick data entry, no-thinking-required tasks) for the 15 to 35 minute gaps between appointments, because trying to do creative work in those windows produces almost nothing. Toni realized this after years of trying to write emails or film videos in short pockets and consistently failing.

A live example she shared from the day before we recorded: she had a 35-minute window in her car between appointments, tried to draft marketing emails, felt terrible about the output, and switched to updating Sellers Summit speaker contracts and templates instead. She finished all of it with 10 minutes to spare, because those were true no-brainer tasks she had done dozens of times.

The mental model is that not all work uses the same fuel. Creative work (scripts, videos, emails, strategy) needs a long runway.

Menial work (data entry, contract admin, template edits) can be shoved into any spare pocket without penalty. Sort your to-do list by fuel type, not just by priority.

The 60-minute minimum for filming any video

Toni’s other hard rule: never try to film a video in under 60 minutes. In a 15-minute window, one small mistake becomes the deal-killer because there is no time to re-film. In a 60-minute window, a mistake is just a retake.

The same rule applies to any creative task with a real re-do cost (podcasts, sales scripts, launch copy). Match the window to the task, and stop forcing high-cost tasks into low-time windows.

Is being busy actually a coping mechanism?

Chronic, always-on busyness (not seasonal overload) can be a coping mechanism, because filling every hour leaves no time to process emotions or sit with uncomfortable feelings. Toni surfaced this in the episode after hearing it several times from different sources: “being productive” gets a free pass in a way that binge-watching or drinking does not. The underlying pattern is often the same avoidance.

The test she suggests: ask yourself why you are always busy. If the answer is “because there is a natural season of overload right now” (young kids, first year in a new job, launching a book), that is legitimate. If the answer is “I just cannot sit with nothing to do,” that is worth examining.

There is a caveat: parents of young children are not doing this. That season is objectively hard and there is no fixing it with a productivity system. The coping-mechanism version of busyness is the one where the constraints are not real and you are still packing the calendar to the top.

Book launches: expect an emotional crash

Launching a book with the intent of hitting a bestseller list produces a predictable emotional crash after the launch ends, because of the sheer volume of relationship-based work required to get there. My Wall Street Journal bestseller launch was the hardest 3 months I have ever worked. I did nothing for the rest of that year beyond keeping the lights on, and I am still paying for that recovery period the year after.

If you are planning a book launch, budget a recovery period of at least 3 to 6 months of maintenance-only work afterward. Do not commit to new sponsors, new podcast slots, or new projects during that window. The crash is normal.

Toni’s 46-day morning routine that killed the brain fog

Toni’s new morning routine is a strict 6-step sequence with no phone contact until step 5, and after 46 days it has measurably fixed her brain fog and improved her blood work. She started it because she was hitting foggy, low-energy afternoons that had her staring at her computer and considering going to bed at 2 p.m., which is not her normal state.

Here is the exact sequence she follows every morning:

  1. Wake up, turn off alarm, and do not touch the phone. No email, no text, no social. This one change was the biggest lever.
  2. Put on the workout clothes she leaves on her treadmill the night before, get on the treadmill, and open the curtains for morning sunlight.
  3. Walk on the treadmill for 30 to 45 minutes at roughly 4 mph (a fast walk, not a run), while listening to an intentional podcast (health, marketing, motivation). No true crime, no music.
  4. Get off the treadmill and sit outside for 5 minutes in the sun (or by a window if it is cloudy or raining). This resets circadian rhythm.
  5. Do a 5-minute guided morning meditation (Toni uses the top result for “5 minute morning meditation” on YouTube). This is the step she was most skeptical about and now considers essential.
  6. Shower, then start work. Do not eat breakfast until roughly 10:30 or 11 a.m., using the extended overnight fast as the first natural break in the workday.

The results after 46 days: her to-do list clears every day, big projects are getting knocked off, she is sometimes done for the day by 4 p.m., her caffeine intake has dropped, and lab work improved without any dietary changes or dropping alcohol. The whole change is upstream of the workday itself.

Why “no phone before bed” is the second lever

The evening companion to the morning routine is no phone in the 30 to 60 minutes before sleep, replaced with a 5-minute evening meditation on hectic days. This is the standard advice that almost nobody follows, and the reason it works is the same reason the morning meditation works: it forces the mind to stop cycling on the next three days of tasks.

Even 5 minutes of a genuinely quiet mind (no phone, no planning, no scrolling) is enough to break the loop and let you fall asleep faster. Combined with the morning routine, it is what enables the “no crashes at 2 p.m.” result Toni now gets consistently.

A weekly template you can copy today

Here is the productivity stack from this episode compressed into a template you can use as a starting point.

  1. Assign each weekday to one specific business area or type of work (theme days). Never mix.
  2. Protect at least one fully open day per week as a buffer for emergencies and unplanned deep work.
  3. Pick one weekday that is your no-meetings day, and defend it (phone off, no calls, no scheduled anything).
  4. Maintain a menial-task list separate from your creative-work list, and use it for every 15 to 35 minute gap.
  5. Never attempt any creative task with a re-do cost (video, sales copy, strategy) in a window under 60 minutes.
  6. Do not touch your phone for the first 60 to 90 minutes after waking, and end the day with 30 to 60 phone-free minutes before bed.
  7. Add a walk (20 to 45 minutes) plus 5 minutes of outdoor sunlight to your morning. Delay breakfast to roughly 10:30 to 11 a.m.
  8. Do a 5-minute guided meditation morning and evening. Yes, even if you are certain meditation is not for you.

Frequently asked questions

How do busy entrepreneurs manage their time with kids at home?

Busy entrepreneurs with kids typically use theme days (assigning each weekday to one type of work) and protect at least one fully open buffer day per week for the emergencies that come with kids. Trying to run a packed 5-day calendar with children guarantees that a sick day or school pickup will destroy the week; a calendar with slack absorbs it.

What is a theme day and how does it work?

A theme day is a weekday assigned to one specific project, business, or type of work, so you never context-switch inside a day. For example, Monday might be one client, Tuesday might be deep-work only with no meetings, and Wednesday might be course creation plus podcast recording. Theme days remove the mental cost of jumping between unrelated projects.

How do you stay productive between meetings?

Keep a separate menial-task list (small admin, template updates, contract follow-ups, no-thinking-required work) for the 15 to 35 minute gaps between meetings. Trying to do creative work in those windows produces frustration and almost no output, but no-brainer admin tasks fit perfectly.

Does a morning routine actually improve productivity?

Yes. Toni’s 46-day morning routine (no phone on waking, 30 to 45 minute walk with an intentional podcast, 5 minutes of outdoor sunlight, 5-minute meditation, delayed breakfast) removed her brain fog and improved her lab work with no other diet or lifestyle changes. The specific tactics matter less than the pattern of no phone plus movement plus sunlight plus stillness.

Is being always busy a sign of avoidance?

Chronic, always-on busyness can be a coping mechanism for avoiding uncomfortable emotions, in the same way binge-watching or drinking can be. The test is whether you can sit quietly with no task and be comfortable; if not, some of your busyness may be filling that space rather than serving your business.

Can you really shut down at 3 p.m. on Fridays as an entrepreneur?

Yes, if you protect a specific weekday for deep work and use theme days for the rest, you can compress a full week’s output into 4 focused days and end early on Fridays. Toni does this every week, and Steve’s ideal week ends by mid-afternoon Friday for family time. It requires ruthless calendar defense, not fewer projects.

How long should a book-launch recovery period be?

Plan for at least 3 to 6 months of maintenance-only work after a major book launch. The pattern of sponsor commitments, podcast tours, and public-facing hustle creates a real emotional crash on the other side, and layering new projects on top of it slows the recovery further.

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522: Is Selling On Amazon FBA Worth It In 2024? Here’s The UGLY Truth

Is Selling On Amazon FBA Worth It In 2024? Here's The UGLY Truth

Selling on Amazon FBA is still worth it in 2024, but only if you go all in with a real brand, precise inventory management, and profit-tracking software. The casual “buy from Alibaba and toss it on Amazon” strategy is dead, because a brand-new per-item placement fee, a new low-inventory surcharge, a 37 percent rise in cost per click since 2020, and pricing pressure from Temu (where identical products sell for up to 40x less) have combined to squeeze margins in ways they never were 2 years ago.

This is a solo episode of the My Wife Quit Her Job podcast where I walk through every major Amazon change that landed in the first quarter of 2024, the exact fee mechanics, the refund math most gurus hide, and my honest take on whether Amazon FBA is still a viable business in this environment.

Here is the full breakdown: the new fees, the Temu problem, the refund math, and the criteria that determine whether Amazon FBA is right for you right now.

Key takeaways

  • Amazon rolled out its biggest and most complex fee increase ever in 2024, headlined by a brand-new per-item inbound placement fee (21 to 68 cents on standard items, 2.16 to 6 dollars on oversized).
  • The new low-inventory surcharge penalizes you for carrying too little inventory relative to sales velocity, on top of the existing long-term storage fees for carrying too much.
  • Amazon PPC cost per click has climbed from 71 cents in 2020 to as high as 97 cents in 2024, per AdBadger data, and further increases are expected.
  • Temu is selling identical unbranded products for up to 40x less than Amazon (a bath mat sold at 46 dollars on Amazon was 1.07 on Temu). Apparel-category Amazon sales are reportedly down 30 percent year over year.
  • Average Amazon return rates: 12 percent overall, 15 to 20 percent for electronics, up to 35 percent for high-fashion apparel. Seller Central does not deduct refunds from your revenue display, so guru income claims are inflated by 20 to 35 percent.
  • Amazon still owns over 50 percent of US e-commerce and the Prime badge remains an unmatched conversion lever, which is why FBA is still worth it for serious brand-builders.
  • You must run third-party accounting software (like Sellerboard) and inventory reimbursement software (like Getida) to be profitable in 2024.

What are Amazon’s new 2024 FBA fees?

Amazon’s 2024 fee overhaul added two brand-new charges (a per-item inbound placement fee and a low-inventory surcharge) on top of the existing referral fee, FBA fulfillment fee, and storage fees, making it the most complex fee change in Amazon’s history. On average FBA fulfillment fees dropped about 19 cents per standard item, but that reduction is dwarfed by the new charges layered on top.

The per-item placement fee runs 21 to 68 cents on standard-size items and 2.16 to 6 dollars on oversized items, and it is charged in addition to the existing 15 percent referral fee and the FBA fulfillment fee. That single change alone can wipe out the margin on low-priced items that used to work fine.

The bigger structural problem is opacity. These fees are calculated from historical demand data that Amazon controls and does not fully expose, which makes them nearly impossible to predict in advance and difficult to dispute after the fact.

The low-inventory surcharge, explained

The low-inventory surcharge penalizes sellers who consistently carry less inventory in Amazon warehouses than their unit sales suggest they should. If you typically sell 1,000 units per month and let inventory slip to 500 units, Amazon charges a fee on those 500 units for being under-stocked.

Amazon’s stated justification is that adequate inventory lets Amazon place stock closer to customers across the fulfillment network. In practice, sellers now face fees for holding too much inventory (long-term storage) and for holding too little (low-inventory surcharge) at the same time, with no clear middle ground that fits every SKU.

For anyone who has run a real warehouse, maintaining precise inventory levels across dozens or hundreds of SKUs is already extremely difficult, and I have run Bumblebee Linens’ warehouse for over 16 years. Getting penalized for imperfect inventory is a new tax on the operational reality of the business.

How much have Amazon PPC costs risen in 2024?

Amazon PPC cost per click has climbed from an average of 71 cents in 2020 to as high as 97 cents in 2024, a roughly 37 percent increase in 4 years, per AdBadger’s data. Ad costs are projected to rise further this year, which compresses margin on any product that depends on sponsored ads to be found.

Amazon PPC is technically an auction, driven by supply and demand, but sellers have reported inflated suggested bids from Amazon on new keywords. Every time I add a new keyword, Amazon’s recommended bid tends to be well above what actually clears. Whether that is model design or an intentional lever, the practical effect is that ad spend keeps climbing whether you want it to or not.

How Temu is hurting Amazon sales in 2024

Temu sells the exact same unbranded China-factory-shipped products that Amazon third-party sellers offer, at prices that can be 10x to 40x lower, with free 7 to 15 day shipping direct from the factory. That direct-from-factory price advantage is now visibly pulling price-sensitive buyers off Amazon, especially for generic and lightly-branded goods.

The concrete example I found: a bath floor mat listed at 46 dollars on Amazon was 1 dollar 7 cents on Temu, the same product, 40x cheaper. Two-day Prime shipping is a real value, but a 40-dollar savings will convince most buyers to wait 2 weeks.

The reported downstream effect: colleagues in my ecommerce mastermind circles say Amazon apparel-category sales are down roughly 30 percent year over year, and generic-goods categories are seeing similar pressure. If your product has no brand and no unique value proposition, Temu is going to win the price-comparison shopper.

What Temu means for your Amazon strategy

You cannot source generic products from China and dump them on Amazon anymore and expect to be profitable. The only defensible model going forward is a real brand with a unique value proposition, packaging, and design that Temu simply does not have.

The second requirement is owning your customer relationship. Your own branded website, an email list, and a real customer database are what let you sell more to the same buyer and survive a marketplace where price alone is going to lose.

The ugly truth about Amazon FBA refunds

Amazon’s average return rate is 12 percent across all categories, 15 to 20 percent for electronics, and as high as 35 percent for high-fashion apparel, and Seller Central does not deduct refunded orders from your displayed revenue number. That single accounting quirk is why every YouTube and Instagram Amazon “seven-figure income” screenshot is inflated by 20 to 35 percent.

When a refund happens, the cost stack is worse than most sellers realize. Amazon immediately refunds the customer before the product comes back, charges you a return processing fee, and does not return your FBA fulfillment fee. That fulfillment fee is gone forever on every returned unit.

The product itself is frequently returned unsellable. One year an Amazon customer bought several dozen of our Bumblebee Linens napkins, obviously used them for a party, and returned them soiled for a full refund. We ate the closing fee, the FBA fee, and the full cost of goods because the napkins could not be resold.

How to actually track Amazon profit in 2024

Amazon accounting software like Sellerboard is now essentially mandatory to track true profit, because Seller Central alone hides fees and does not deduct refunds from revenue displays. Without it, every reporting decision is based on an inflated top-line number that can be 20 to 35 percent off reality.

You should also track return rates per SKU, and write down inventory as it comes back unsellable. If you sell a category with a naturally high return rate (apparel, electronics, personalized items), the return rate needs to be baked into unit economics before you decide to scale spend on that product.

Amazon inventory mistakes: why you have to watch them like a hawk

Amazon regularly loses, damages, and mis-counts inbound shipments, and Amazon will not proactively tell you or reimburse you unless you file a specific claim yourself. Every experienced seller has stories: partial shipments arriving with boxes missing, damaged units silently disposed of, “lost” inventory that reappears months later and gets deducted back out of your account.

The specific pattern that burned me: Amazon lost several boxes of our goods, reimbursed us for the inventory, then 3 months later “found” the boxes and promptly deducted the reimbursement from our account. We had lost 3 months of sales on that inventory in the meantime and had nothing to show for the reimbursement cycle.

The practical fix is a reimbursement software service. Getida is the one most Amazon sellers use to track shipments, discrepancies, and lost units, and it auto-files reimbursement claims on your behalf. New users can get 400 dollars in free reimbursements through the link in this episode’s show notes on my podcast episode page.

Malicious activity is still constant

Listing hijackers, knockoff sellers, black-hat competitor attacks, and false intellectual property claims are all still happening in 2024 despite Amazon’s stated efforts. If you have a successful listing, expect at least one attempt per quarter, and have a documented brand registry plus a plan for filing removal requests.

Is Amazon FBA still worth it in 2024?

Yes, Amazon FBA is still worth it in 2024, but only for sellers who commit fully, build a real brand, and run the operational systems required to survive the new fee structure. The casual seller with a generic product and no accounting software is going to lose money on the fees alone.

The reason FBA is still worth it: Amazon owns over 50 percent of US e-commerce, and the Prime badge (free two-day shipping) is still an unmatched conversion lever. There is no other marketplace where a product can be discovered at that volume with that level of buyer trust.

The commitment required to win: know your true profit down to the SKU with Sellerboard, maintain precise inventory levels that avoid both storage and low-inventory penalties, use Getida for reimbursement tracking, defend your listing against hijackers, and build your own website plus email list so Amazon is one channel and not the whole business.

Frequently asked questions

Is Amazon FBA still profitable in 2024?

Yes, Amazon FBA is still profitable in 2024 for sellers who run a real brand, track profit with third-party accounting software like Sellerboard, and manage inventory precisely enough to avoid both storage fees and the new low-inventory surcharge. Casual sellers with generic products and no profit-tracking system typically lose money on the fees.

What are Amazon’s new 2024 seller fees?

Amazon’s 2024 fee changes include a brand-new per-item placement fee (21 to 68 cents on standard items, 2.16 to 6 dollars on oversized), a new low-inventory surcharge on under-stocked SKUs, and rising PPC costs (from 71 cents CPC in 2020 to 97 cents in 2024 per AdBadger). Standard FBA fulfillment fees dropped about 19 cents on average, which does not offset the new charges.

How does Amazon’s low-inventory surcharge work?

Amazon’s low-inventory surcharge charges a fee on units when your in-stock quantity is consistently lower than expected demand. For example, if you typically sell 1,000 units per month and only have 500 units in Amazon warehouses, Amazon applies a fee on those 500 units for being under-stocked.

Is Temu really killing Amazon sales?

Temu is applying real price pressure on Amazon, especially in generic and unbranded product categories, because Temu often sells the identical China-factory product for 10x to 40x less with free direct-from-factory shipping. Independent ecommerce operators are reporting Amazon apparel-category sales down roughly 30 percent year over year.

How high are Amazon return rates in 2024?

Amazon’s average return rate is about 12 percent overall, 15 to 20 percent for electronics, and up to 35 percent for high-fashion apparel. Seller Central does not deduct refunds from displayed revenue, so gross-revenue income claims are typically inflated by 20 to 35 percent versus real net revenue.

What software do Amazon FBA sellers need in 2024?

At minimum, Amazon FBA sellers in 2024 should run Sellerboard (or an equivalent) for true profit tracking that accounts for hidden fees and refunds, plus Getida (or an equivalent) for inventory reimbursement tracking that auto-files claims for lost and damaged units. Both are essentially required to run a profitable FBA business at scale today.

Should I still start an Amazon FBA business?

You should still start an Amazon FBA business only if you are willing to build a real brand, run profit-tracking software from day one, maintain your own website and email list, and commit to going all in on the operational discipline required by the 2024 fee structure. The dip-your-toes-in approach that worked a few years ago is no longer viable.

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521: How Running A Simple Challenge Can Explode Your Brand’s Popularity With Toni Herrbach

How Running A Simple Challenge Can Explode Your Brand's Popularity

The most reliable way to run a challenge that grows your brand and sells your products is to design a short (2 to 14 day) activity your audience can actually finish, front-load a 15-minute mindset session so buyers can afford to say yes emotionally, and close with an offer that reframes free attendees as “guests” and paid buyers as “members.” Two very different challenges (Amy Porterfield’s paid 37-dollar list-building challenge and Shalene Johnson’s free 14-day walking challenge into a 14.95-a-month membership) both work, and picking the right pattern depends entirely on how easy your quick-win is.

This is a Profitable Audience episode of the My Wife Quit Her Job podcast, where my co-host Toni Herrbach breaks down two challenges she attended in the same week and the exact tactics she plans to steal from each. Alicia Rinozo (a past Sellers Summit speaker) also grew an eight-figure water-bottle business almost entirely on the back of fitness challenges, so this format works for physical products too.

Below is the full breakdown: the two challenge models, the mindset trick that lifts conversion, why “guest vs member” language works, and the exact template you can copy for your own brand.

Key takeaways

  • Two proven challenge models: paid live-webinar-style (Amy Porterfield, 37 dollars for a 4-day challenge with a 99-dollar VIP upgrade), and free auto-drip-style (Shalene Johnson, free 14-day walking challenge into a 14.95/month membership).
  • A 15-minute mindset session BEFORE the main teaching is the single highest-leverage tactic in the whole episode. 95 percent of non-buyers are blocked by self-doubt, not by price or product.
  • Charging even a small entry fee (27 or 37 dollars) filters out low-intent attendees but roughly halves signups. Only use it if you have list size or social proof to absorb the drop.
  • Auto-drip challenges scale infinitely. Shalene ran only 2 live Zoom calls (day 0 kickoff and day 14 close) across the entire 2-week challenge; every other daily touchpoint was a pre-recorded audio email.
  • Use guest experts on 50 to 60 percent of the days. Shalene delivered roughly 6 of 14 daily audios herself and used credentialed guests (with recognizable names or bestselling books) for the rest.
  • “You were our guest in the free challenge. Now become a member” is a verbatim script worth stealing. It reframes the upsell as an upgrade, not a purchase.
  • Design the quick-win to match your audience’s difficulty tolerance. Walking is a nearly guaranteed win in 2 weeks. Setting up an email lead magnet is not.

Why every challenge needs a 15-minute mindset session before the teaching

The single highest-leverage tactic in modern challenge marketing is a 15-minute mindset session delivered right before the main teaching, because roughly 95 percent of non-buyers are blocked by self-doubt rather than by price, product, or logistics. If you handle the confidence objection before the sales pitch, the pitch itself becomes almost automatic.

Amy Porterfield’s list-building challenge ran mindset training at 11 a.m. Eastern (some of it live, some pre-recorded from other experts) and then the main webinar at noon. The gap was deliberate: get people into the right headspace, let it settle, then teach.

The “financial hurdle” almost every course, membership, and product faces is downstream of a “do I believe I can do this?” hurdle that most creators skip entirely.

I saw the same effect in my own Family First Challenge. The first 2 full days were pure mindset content with zero actionable steps, and I was convinced attendees would revolt. Instead, those days generated the most engaged Q&A of the whole event and the “how did you get started when you didn’t know what you were doing?” questions were the sticky ones.

Amy Porterfield’s paid challenge model, explained

Amy Porterfield’s list-building challenge is a paid 37-dollar 4-day live webinar series with a 99-dollar VIP upsell (extra Q&A Zoom call plus mini-course) that funnels attendees into her 497-dollar List Builder Society course. It works because her list is large enough (reportedly around 300,000 subscribers) that even a modest signup conversion produces thousands of paid attendees at 37 dollars each.

The style is presidential-debate polished. Landing pages, slides, and worksheets are pixel-perfect, questions are prepared in advance rather than answered live, and the whole flow feels like a produced event. That polish is what justifies the upsell into a 497-dollar course, because the perceived production quality signals the paid product will be equally professional.

The paid entry fee also acts as a filter. Casual browsers who “just want the freebie” self-select out at 37 dollars, and the remaining audience is meaningfully more likely to buy the 497-dollar upsell. In my own testing (gating a workshop behind a 27-dollar book purchase), signups roughly halved but the buyers who did show up were the serious ones.

Why the paid model is not right for most creators

Paid challenges require either a huge existing list or heavy social proof to overcome the initial resistance to paying for what everyone else offers free. If you are early in your creator journey, a paid 37-dollar entry will typically kill signups without producing enough qualified attendees to justify it.

The VIP-tier upsell also depends on scarcity of access. Amy’s VIP Zoom calls have been reported at 1,800 attendees at once, and she deliberately does not answer live audience questions inside them. The value proposition is “you are in the room with her,” not “she is answering your specific question.”

The replay-expiration controversy worth learning from

Amy’s team took the paid webinar replays offline on a specific date (February 21, 2024 in this cohort), which triggered visible frustration in the associated Facebook group when the expiration was not clearly communicated up-front. Team Porterfield’s response was that the challenge was designed as a synchronous group activity, not an evergreen self-paced product.

The lesson for anyone running a paid challenge: put the replay-expiration date at the top of the sales page in bold, or expect a Facebook-group blow-up on the day it happens. Buried disclosures produce disgruntled buyers, and disgruntled buyers do not convert to the upsell.

Shalene Johnson’s free walking challenge model, explained

Shalene Johnson’s 14-day walking challenge is a free daily-email challenge with 2 live Zoom bookends (day 0 kickoff, day 14 close) and 14 daily pre-recorded audio emails, converting attendees into a 14.95-a-month (or 99-a-year) Phase It Up membership at the closing call. It scales infinitely because almost none of it requires her live attendance during the challenge.

The structural genius is that a walking challenge means participants have headphones in their ears anyway, so audio content lands perfectly. Every morning, attendees got an email with an audio recording matched to walk length (15, 30, 45, or 60 minutes) covering hormones, nutrition, energy, zone-2 cardio, or a general mindset check-in.

The offer at day 14 is deliberately reframed: “You were our guest in this free challenge. Now become a member.” That single verbal switch (guest vs member) turned a purchase decision into an upgrade decision, which is emotionally lower-friction than “buy my thing.”

Use guest experts on 50 to 60 percent of the days

Only about 6 of the 14 daily audios were Shalene’s own recordings. The other 7 to 8 were guest experts with real credentials (nutritionists, personal trainers, doctors) and real name recognition (bestselling books, large social followings). This does two things: it dramatically reduces the challenge-creator’s workload, and it borrows credibility from experts the audience already trusts.

For any creator building a challenge, this is the single highest-ROI production choice. Recruit 6 to 8 credentialed guests, record 15-minute audios once, and schedule them across the challenge. The whole 14-day sequence can be built in a single week in December for a January launch, then re-run every cohort.

Include done-for-you assets like meal plans and shopping lists

Shalene’s daily emails included professionally-designed meal plans (vegetarian and non-vegetarian options), shopping lists, and printable trackers, all built in Canva. These are cheap to produce and dramatically raise perceived value, and they give attendees a physical artifact of the challenge that keeps her brand present in their kitchen for weeks after the challenge ends.

Amy vs Shalene: which challenge model should you copy?

Pick your challenge model based on how easy your quick-win is: use Shalene’s free auto-drip model when the challenge activity is easy for most people to finish (walking, journaling, water intake, gratitude), and use Amy’s paid live model when your list is large enough that a 50 percent signup drop from the entry fee still fills the room.

Here is a side-by-side comparison of the two models.

ElementAmy Porterfield (paid list-building)Shalene Johnson (free walking)
Entry cost37 dollars, plus 99-dollar VIP upsellFree
Duration4 days14 days
Live elementDaily live webinars at noon Eastern2 Zoom calls only (day 0 and day 14)
Daily deliveryLive webinar + mindset sessionPre-recorded audio email
Guest expertsSome in mindset segments7 to 8 out of 14 daily sessions
Q&A stylePre-submitted questions, presidential-debate polishMessage on social or reply to email
CommunityFacebook groupSocial media plus email replies
Backend offer497-dollar List Builder Society course14.95/month (or 99/year) Phase It Up membership
Best forLarge lists, difficult-implementation topicsAny list, easy-to-finish topics
Ceiling on scaleBounded by live capacityScales infinitely

How to design the quick-win at the heart of any challenge

The quick-win is the single most important design choice in a challenge, because attendees who felt a genuine result during the free portion convert to the paid backend at multiples of the rate of attendees who did not. Walking for 30 minutes a day for 14 days produces measurable energy improvements for most people, so Shalene’s conversion rate is naturally high.

Setting up an email lead magnet in 4 days produces a landing page but no subscribers, so many of Amy’s attendees hit day 5 asking “okay, I did this, now how do I get people to my website?” That gap is why Amy needs the mindset session and the polish and the paid filter, because her quick-win is genuinely harder to feel.

For your own challenge, ask: can 80 percent of my attendees actually finish this activity in the challenge window, and will finishing it produce a felt result they can name to a friend? If both answers are yes, run the free auto-drip model. If either is no, add a mindset track, extend the timeline, or pick an easier win.

A step-by-step template for your first challenge

Here is the template compressed into a build order you can start on this month.

  1. Pick a challenge activity that 80 percent of your audience can finish in 7 to 14 days and that produces a felt result.
  2. Design a 15-minute mindset session that handles the “can I actually do this?” objection. Deliver it before the main teaching each day.
  3. Recruit 6 to 8 credentialed guest experts to record 15-minute audio segments once. Schedule them across the challenge days.
  4. Produce done-for-you assets in Canva (meal plans, checklists, tracking sheets, printable graphics) that raise perceived value.
  5. Structure the delivery as one daily email with the audio, the asset of the day, and a single call-to-action.
  6. Book only 2 live sessions: a day-0 kickoff (goals, why this matters) and a final call (social proof plus the offer).
  7. Frame the offer in guest-to-member language: “You were our guest in the free challenge. Become a member for [x].”
  8. Keep the paid membership under 20 dollars a month or 100 dollars a year to remove the price objection for any attendee who felt a real result.

Frequently asked questions

What is a challenge in marketing?

A marketing challenge is a short (typically 2 to 14 day) structured activity that a creator or brand invites their audience to complete together, ending with an offer to join a paid product, membership, or service. The challenge produces a felt result during the free portion, which dramatically raises conversion to the paid offer at the end.

Should I charge for my challenge or make it free?

Charge for a challenge only if you have a large existing list (roughly 50,000-plus subscribers) or heavy social proof, because paid entry typically halves signups. Free challenges scale better for most creators and are especially effective when the challenge activity is easy for most attendees to finish and feel a result from.

How long should a marketing challenge run?

Marketing challenges typically run 4 to 14 days. Shorter (4 to 7 day) challenges work when the topic requires live teaching, like Amy Porterfield’s 4-day list-building challenge. Longer (14 day) challenges work when the activity is habit-based and self-directed, like Shalene Johnson’s walking challenge.

What is the mindset session in a challenge and why does it matter?

The mindset session is a short (typically 15-minute) segment delivered before the main teaching that addresses the audience’s self-doubt and confidence blocks. It matters because roughly 95 percent of non-buyers are blocked by self-doubt rather than by price or product, so handling the confidence objection first makes the paid offer at the end far easier to convert.

How do you monetize a free challenge?

The most effective way to monetize a free challenge is to design a paid membership, course, or product that continues the transformation the challenge started, and to pitch it at the final live call by reframing free attendees as “guests” and paid buyers as “members.” Shalene Johnson uses this exact structure to convert free walking-challenge attendees into a 14.95-a-month Phase It Up membership.

Can I use guest experts in my challenge?

Yes, using guest experts on 50 to 60 percent of your daily sessions is one of the highest-leverage moves in modern challenge marketing. Guest experts reduce your production workload, borrow credibility from names your audience already trusts, and let you build a full 14-day sequence in a single week of recording.

What tools do I need to run a challenge?

At minimum you need an email service provider (ConvertKit, Klaviyo, ActiveCampaign) to send the daily emails, an audio or video recording setup for daily content, Canva for done-for-you assets, and either a Facebook group or a social media presence for community engagement. A live Zoom account is enough for the day-0 kickoff and day-14 closing call.

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