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520: Blog Apocalypse? Can A Pure Blog Still Make Money With Jim Wang

520: Blog Apocalypse? Can A Pure Blog Still Make Money With Jim Wang

A pure blog can still make real money in 2024, but only with a long time horizon, a 3-bucket content strategy that mixes affiliate-money posts, traffic-magnet posts, and relationship posts, and a granular email-tracking stack that assigns real per-subscriber dollar values so you can prioritize acquisition sources by lifetime value. Jim Wang’s Wallet Hacks (his second seven-figure personal finance blog after selling Bargaineering in 2010) survived the October 2023 Google helpful content update with only a 20 percent traffic dip, largely because his site is built for humans and email subscribers first and Google rankings second.

In this episode of the My Wife Quit Her Job podcast, I bring Jim Wang back for the first time since 2014 to give his honest read on whether starting a personal finance blog today is still worth it, how AI content is changing the game, and the exact email-flow tricks (Woopra plus Link Clicky) his team uses to squeeze more affiliate revenue from a smaller list.

Here is the full breakdown: Jim’s 3-bucket content model, why he does not compete with NerdWallet on credit cards, the abandoned-cart-style flow he runs on affiliate clicks, and his honest take on what a new blogger should do differently in 2024.

Key takeaways

  • Yes, a pure blog can still make money in 2024, but only for creators willing to work on a 3 to 5 year time horizon with no acute financial pressure to compress it.
  • Jim’s 3-bucket content model: (1) money posts (affiliate reviews of banks, credit cards, fintech apps), (2) traffic magnet posts (broad topics that draw email signups), (3) relationship posts (opinion pieces, personal essays) that only get read when he emails them.
  • Do not try to out-rank NerdWallet, Times, or Business Insider on the big money keywords (credit cards, mortgages, insurance). Pick smaller fintech apps with 10 to 20 dollar CPAs where the giants do not bother competing.
  • Wallet Hacks publishes only 2 to 3 articles per week, not the tens of thousands programmatic AI content sites are pushing.
  • The Woopra plus Link Clicky email stack tracks a subscriber’s clicks and affiliate behavior at the individual level, so each acquisition channel gets a specific lifetime value in dollars.
  • Jim runs an abandoned-cart-style email flow on affiliate clicks: if a reader clicks an affiliate link but no lead is reported within a few hours, an email goes out asking what they thought.
  • October 2023 Google core update dropped Wallet Hacks traffic 20 percent, driven by SERP loss on blood-plasma-donation articles to LinkedIn and Twitter bios. Jim’s take: do not panic, calm research beats reactive edits.
  • If Jim were starting over today, he would not start another blog. He would start with video (probably YouTube shorts) instead.

Can a pure blog still make money in 2024?

Yes, a pure blog can still make real money in 2024, but only with a multi-year runway, low personal financial pressure, and a content strategy that goes beyond keyword-optimized affiliate reviews. Wallet Hacks is now roughly 8 years old, has been featured in Forbes, MarketWatch, CNBC, US News, and Business Insider, and remains a genuine seven-figure business built almost entirely on written content.

The reason it still works: Jim built Wallet Hacks specifically to sidestep the trap that killed most niche affiliate sites in the 2023 to 2024 Google updates. His site was never a laser-focused SEO play, so the big helpful-content-update penalties that hit thin, over-optimized affiliate sites did not hit him at anywhere near the same magnitude.

The hard truth is that the “start a blog in your side hustle time, quit your job in 12 months” pitch is gone. What still works is a slow, opinion-driven, relationship-building publication that also happens to earn affiliate revenue. That was always the higher-ceiling model, and now it is the only model.

The 3-bucket content strategy Jim uses on Wallet Hacks

Jim organizes every article on Wallet Hacks into one of 3 buckets, and the mix is the entire reason his site survived the recent Google updates. The 3 buckets are money posts (direct affiliate revenue), traffic magnet posts (broad topics that pull email signups), and relationship posts (opinion pieces and personal essays that build audience trust).

Bucket 1: money posts (affiliate reviews)

Money posts are keyword-focused affiliate reviews of banks, credit cards, and fintech apps, and Jim delegates most of these to a small team of freelance writers plus an editor. He specifically does not compete with NerdWallet, Times, and other massive commerce sites on high-payout keywords (credit cards at 150 to 200 dollars per approved application), because the SERP is unwinnable at his site’s authority.

Instead, Wallet Hacks targets smaller fintech apps where CPAs are 10 to 20 dollars but competition is far lower. That is the only defensible affiliate strategy for an independent blog in 2024: cede the giant-payout keywords, own the long tail of underserved fintech.

Bucket 2: traffic magnet posts (email signup fuel)

Traffic magnet posts are broad, discoverable articles that pull large volumes of email signups even when they do not directly monetize. These are how you grow the list that everything else depends on. Jim’s team runs pop-ups (a standard signup pop-up plus a “hey, you are back” second pop-up for repeat visitors who ignored the first) that quietly stack signups across every content type.

Bucket 3: relationship posts (opinion and essay)

Relationship posts are opinion pieces and personal essays that will never rank on Google and only get read when Jim emails them to his list. Two of his best-performing recent examples: “things I’ve learned tracking my net worth over 20 years” and “the boring middle is bullshit,” a takedown of the early-retirement-community trope that the wealth-accumulation phase has to be boring.

These posts do 2 things Google can never replicate. They generate real inbound links from other bloggers (nobody links to a bank review, but everyone links to a good opinion piece). And they build the parasocial relationship that turns a passive subscriber into a repeat clicker on your money posts.

The Woopra plus Link Clicky email stack that lifts affiliate revenue

Wallet Hacks runs a custom email-tracking stack built on Woopra (per-user behavior analytics), Link Clicky (affiliate redirect tracking with commission-event ingestion), and ActiveCampaign (email delivery), so each email subscriber gets a specific per-user affiliate lifetime value assigned to them. That granularity is what lets the team prioritize which acquisition sources to double down on.

Here is how the stack ties together. Link Clicky handles affiliate redirects and pulls commission events from Commission Junction, Publicis (Rakuten), Impact, and other affiliate networks via their APIs.

Those commission events flow into Woopra, which tags the corresponding user record. That tag then triggers an ActiveCampaign email flow tied to specific downstream actions.

The single highest-leverage flow they run: if a subscriber clicks an affiliate link and no lead event is reported by the merchant within a few hours, Wallet Hacks emails them and asks what they thought. This is functionally an abandoned-cart email for affiliate traffic, and it is unusual enough in the affiliate world that it produces meaningful incremental commissions.

What a per-subscriber dollar value unlocks

Assigning a specific dollar value per subscriber per acquisition source unlocks the ability to actually invest in acquisition. Every creator knows email is valuable in the abstract; putting a real number on it changes decision-making immediately.

A subscriber who signed up on a credit-card page may be worth 200 dollars over time. A subscriber who signed up on a side-hustle page may be worth 5 dollars. Once those numbers exist, the 200-dollar page gets more traffic investment, and the 5-dollar page either gets improved or dropped entirely.

How Jim survived the October 2023 Google core update

The October 2023 Google core update dropped Wallet Hacks traffic by roughly 20 percent, driven almost entirely by SERP losses on a set of blood-plasma-donation articles that lost their positions to LinkedIn and Twitter bios. Because those articles were traffic-magnet posts rather than money posts, the revenue impact was much smaller than the traffic impact.

Jim’s response was to research first, not react. Panicking and editing dozens of articles that were not actually affected would have wasted time and possibly hurt other posts. Once he understood the update was surfacing social profiles for company-name queries specifically, the only rational action was to leave the affected posts alone.

The wider lesson is a lesson in blogger emotional discipline. Every long-term site owner has been through a traffic crater at least once.

Jim’s Bargaineering site, back in 2007 or 2008, once went from about 4,000 daily visitors to about 200 for 3 days over a weekend before coming back on Monday. If you have not been through one yet, you will, and the correct move is almost always research before edits.

What Jim would do if he started over today

If Jim were starting over today with the option to build any content business from scratch, he would not start another pure blog. He would start with video, most likely YouTube shorts, because platform-based discovery in 2024 rewards video and short-form audio in ways that written content no longer does.

The reasoning is that the biggest content wins of the last 4 to 5 years have gone to creators who caught the right platform at the right growth curve (TikTok, YouTube Shorts, Instagram Reels), not to creators who invested more heavily in text. The blog stack is a mature technology in a decelerating channel; the growth is elsewhere.

The counterexample he cited is Rob Berger of Dough Roller, who has built a huge YouTube audience with a deliberately slow-cadence, conversational retirement-and-investing channel. Rob’s success shows that written-content creators can transition to video without adopting the frenetic MrBeast editing style; slow, conversational YouTube works for near-retirement financial audiences.

Why video is the last defensible content format

My view (Steve’s, from my own YouTube channel) is that video is going to be the last bastion of content the AI-generated flood cannot fully drown. Written content is trivially cloned by AI, audio is not much harder, and even faceless YouTube channels are proliferating. But a real face, a real voice, and a real personality on video is still a moat that AI has not crossed at scale.

Jim’s caution on video is that people go to YouTube for entertainment more than for deep answers to complex financial questions. Video is best for discovery and short-form learning. When someone needs to actually understand a Roth IRA withdrawal strategy, they still open Google and read.

How much time does Jim spend running Wallet Hacks?

Jim spends roughly 15 to 20 hours per week running Wallet Hacks, mostly in the mornings before his kids are up and between 9:15 a.m. and lunch. Afternoons are a mix of workouts, naps, and family time until his oldest child is home around 3:30 p.m.

His weekly work breaks down into keyword research, updating and optimizing older content, affiliate program management (compliance, negotiating new programs, upgrading commission rates), and email replies with merchants. There is no rigid structure. He fills the gaps of whatever the team is not covering that week.

That workload is the entire pitch for the pure-blog model as a lifestyle business. A team of a few freelance writers, one editor, one owner, and a well-tuned email stack, running under 20 focused hours a week, still produces a seven-figure business.

Frequently asked questions

Can you still make money blogging in 2024?

Yes, you can still make money blogging in 2024, but only with a long time horizon (3 to 5 years minimum), a diversified content mix, and a real email strategy. Sites built purely for SEO-optimized affiliate reviews have been hit hard by recent Google updates, while sites that mix affiliate content with relationship-building opinion posts have held up.

Is starting a personal finance blog still worth it?

Starting a personal finance blog is still worth it in 2024, but not as a way to compete on high-payout credit-card and mortgage keywords, since NerdWallet, Times, Business Insider, and other giants dominate those SERPs. The realistic play is to target smaller fintech apps with 10 to 20 dollar CPAs and build the audience relationship through opinion content and email.

How often should a blog publish?

Wallet Hacks publishes only 2 to 3 articles per week and remains a seven-figure business. Publishing frequency matters less than content quality, backlink acquisition, and email list growth. Programmatic sites publishing tens of thousands of AI articles are a different game with different (and increasingly punished) risk profile.

What is the best email tracking tool for affiliate blogs?

The stack Jim Wang uses on Wallet Hacks is Woopra (per-user analytics), Link Clicky (affiliate redirect tracking with commission-event API pulls from Commission Junction, Impact, and Rakuten), and ActiveCampaign (email delivery). Woopra is around 1,000 dollars a month, so this stack only makes sense for blogs with meaningful affiliate revenue to protect.

How do you recover from a Google core update traffic drop?

The best response to a Google core update traffic drop is to research first before making any edits, because reactive changes often hurt more than the update itself. Look at the specific queries and pages that lost rankings, understand what Google promoted in their place, and only edit content where the update reflects an intent-match issue you can genuinely fix.

Are opinion and relationship posts worth writing if they do not rank?

Yes, opinion and relationship posts are worth writing even if they do not rank in Google, because they generate real backlinks from other bloggers and build the parasocial trust that lifts click-through on your affiliate content later. They are essentially unrankable, unclonable content that AI cannot yet replicate at scale.

Should a new content creator start a blog or a YouTube channel in 2024?

If starting over today, Jim Wang and Steve Chou both lean toward YouTube (especially shorts) over a pure blog for a new content creator in 2024. Video benefits from platform-based discovery on TikTok, Instagram Reels, and YouTube Shorts, and video is still the format most resistant to AI-generated content flooding search results.

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519: The SEO Apocalypse! How Google’s Latest Changes Are Shaking Up the Internet With Toni Herrbach

519: The SEO Apocalypse! How Google’s Latest Changes Are Shaking Up the Internet With Toni Herrbach

The Google SEO apocalypse is real. Google is drowning in AI-generated spam, has promoted Reddit, Quora and LinkedIn to dominate the top of the SERPs, and is running back-to-back updates that keep breaking rankings for legitimate publishers. A student in my mastermind saw an old blog post outranked by a random LinkedIn post from someone with no expertise, and one of Spencer Haws’s contest participants ranked 850 AI-written articles in 30 days.

This is the first Profitable Audience segment on the show, where my co-host and business partner Toni Herrbach and I unpack what is happening to search, why AI content is temporarily winning, and how content creators should respond without chasing every fad.

Here is what changed, why it matters, and what to do about it.

Key takeaways

  • Google ran five updates late in 2023 back to back, and search results have been fluctuating wildly since. Reddit, Quora and LinkedIn now rank in a dedicated “forum and discussions” section, often above traditional publishers.
  • In Spencer Haws’s 90-day Google vs AI content challenge, 74 people competed and the top five participants pulled 15,800 combined clicks in three months. The winner published 274 articles and used AI-generated outlines plus per-section AI drafts.
  • One participant in the beverage niche published 850 AI articles in 30 days and hit 4,800 monthly visitors. It works, at least in the short term.
  • Fake AI news is spreading fast. AI-generated sports channels on YouTube now make up roughly a third of my sports feed, and one falsely reported LeBron James was traded to the Warriors.
  • Gen Z uses TikTok and Pinterest as search engines. Pinterest is quietly having a moment with 16 to 24 year olds.
  • The response for legit publishers: fix the mobile experience, answer the question thoroughly with no fluff, add real first-hand experience, and stop chasing the latest trick.

Why is Google search getting worse in 2024?

Google search is getting worse because the volume of AI-generated spam has exploded and Google’s countermeasures have promoted community sites like Reddit and Quora that were never designed to answer product or medical queries authoritatively. Google’s public defense is that Reddit users are experienced at flagging spam, so the community effectively self-moderates. The problem is that a good spam filter is not the same as expertise, and a Reddit user with zero credentials can now sit at the top of the SERPs for a medical, financial or product query.

I have watched one of my long-ranking posts get outranked by a single LinkedIn post from a random person with information that was not even accurate. That is happening at scale. Google shipped five updates back to back at the end of 2023, and the results have been fluctuating ever since.

Toni’s point is the trust problem this creates. When you read something by Brene Brown, you know she has a doctorate in psychology, has done 30 years of research and has written multiple books. When the top result is a Reddit comment from an anonymous account, you have no way to evaluate the source, and Google has handed that source authority anyway.

Reddit, Quora and LinkedIn: how Google upgraded community content over blogs

Google upgraded Reddit, Quora and LinkedIn dramatically in 2023, and there is now a dedicated “forum and discussions” section in the SERPs where those results sit above most traditional publishers. Users started appending “reddit” to their searches to escape SEO-optimized affiliate content, and Google’s algorithm followed that behavior.

Quora ranks well and lets contributors link out, so operators are already gaming it. The pattern is simple: post a question years ago, wait for the thread to rank, then add a self-promotional comment with an affiliate link now.

Google reads the aged thread as authoritative and the modern affiliate insertion goes along for the ride.

LinkedIn is the newest twist. A friend of mine watched his blog post drop after an update, copied the same text word for word onto LinkedIn as a LinkedIn article, and the LinkedIn version now ranks number one for the same keyword.

He set up a 301 redirect from the original URL to the LinkedIn article and his affiliate links still earn. Building on rented land is risky, and I would not recommend that play, but it is a real signal about where Google is currently placing trust.

Spencer Haws’s Google vs AI content challenge: what 74 sites in 90 days revealed

Spencer Haws of Niche Pursuits ran a Google vs AI content challenge where 74 participants competed to see who could pull the most organic traffic to a new AI-generated site in 90 days. Prize was $2,500.

Results after three months: the top five participants achieved over 15,800 combined clicks, and the winner ended up with 274 articles ranking.

Verifying analytics for 74 people is a huge amount of work, and Spencer participated himself and only pulled 52 clicks in the first month.

The 850-article-in-30-days beverage site

One participant published 850 articles in one month in the beverage niche and hit 4,800 visitors in month one. That is roughly 30 articles a day.

No human can meaningfully edit 30 AI articles a day, so the assumption is these went out with minimal review. The tooling made it possible.

You feed an SEO-style prompt into ChatGPT (the AIPRM plugin builds a full content map from a single topic: article titles, keywords and descriptions in table form). Then you loop back through and generate each article from its row. Bulk publication follows.

The winner’s playbook: outline plus section-by-section generation, with real edits

The winner did substantial human editing on top of AI drafts and covered current events, specifically cricket matches. Cricket has a huge global audience, most of it outside the US, and correspondingly less English-language competition. That combination (news-cycle topic + underserved language market) is what let 274 articles pull the traffic they did.

The playbook I taught for AI content in Profitable Audience matches the winner’s method almost exactly. Use AI to generate the outline, loop through each section and generate the draft, then human-edit the result section by section.

My own AI-assisted article on Alibaba still ranks on the front page and gets steady traffic, and it was roughly 75% AI with real human editing on top.

Should content creators use AI to write articles?

Yes, but you have to fact-check everything and add real human judgment. This is the most common question I get on webinars now, and it was a question nobody asked before 2023. Bulk-publishing raw ChatGPT output straight to your site is the version of AI content I would never recommend, no matter how well it appears to work in a 90-day contest.

Two reasons the raw-output play breaks over time. First, current-events articles decay fast: if you write about a cricket match today, that page has almost zero long-term value, and the moment Google’s models tighten up, sites full of decaying pages drop hard.

Second, my strongest posts on My Wife Quit Her Job are 10-year-old posts written by hand. Longevity comes from articles that stay useful, and that requires editorial judgment machines still cannot supply.

The workable middle: use AI for outlines and first drafts, then have a real human fact-check every number, add first-hand experience where you have it, and break up walls of text with images and structure. If a piece of your business depends on the traffic, you cannot skip the editing step.

How AI-generated fake news is polluting YouTube, TikTok and dating apps

AI-generated fake news is now visible in almost every feed, and the quality is high enough that even experienced viewers get fooled. My YouTube feed is roughly a third AI-generated sports content.

A game happens, an AI writes the summary, someone drops in stock clips, and it publishes under a channel name that sounds real (“highlight deals” style).

I nearly texted Toni when one of these videos falsely claimed LeBron James had been traded to the Warriors. It looked real enough to trip a lifelong fan.

Toni sees the same pattern on TikTok. Her daughter learned a “cleaning hack” that involved mixing chemicals that could have caused an explosion in the bathroom, presented with the confident production quality of every other TikTok.

When TikTok’s authority-signaling editing collides with a viewer’s willingness to trust, the accuracy of the underlying claim stops mattering. This is why I no longer trust anything I see in a feed without a second source.

Dating apps have the same problem. People are running AI prompts through their message threads, and Facebook groups where women vet dates now show screenshots of the identical AI-generated message from three different guys.

Others upload fully AI-generated photos (no relation to the real person), effectively a next-level catfish. On a phone screen, at swipe speed, it is more than good enough to work.

Why Gen Z uses TikTok and Pinterest as their search engine

Gen Z uses TikTok and Pinterest as their primary search engines because both platforms present short, personality-driven answers that feel more human than a page of blue links. My daughters treat TikTok and Pinterest as their default. They would not go to Google to search for anything if they could avoid it.

The split between the two platforms is by category. TikTok gets the how-to and recipe queries (“how to make a 15-minute pasta dish”, “what is wrong with my heat press”).

Pinterest gets the aspirational and style queries (“what do I wear to Coachella”, “peach and teal bedroom ideas”). Pinterest’s fastest-growing demographic is 16 to 24 year olds.

I use TikTok as a search engine now too, mostly for restaurant recommendations and product problems. When my heat press threw an error code, Google surfaced affiliate roundups and YouTube surfaced 10-minute reviews. TikTok surfaced multiple people who had hit the exact same error, with fixes that got straight to the point in under a minute.

Why niche TikTok communities can beat Google for practical questions

The strength of TikTok as a search tool is the same as YouTube’s original strength: once you follow a specific creator you trust, the answer quality shoots up. Toni fell into “auto repair TikTok” and now follows five shops.

One is a mechanic with 40 years of experience whose son fronts the videos. When he ranks the worst three-row SUVs and Toni commented (she drives a Suburban), he replied in the comments with model-year specifics for what to look out for on hers.

That is a better answer than any affiliate roundup and it costs $0.

What content creators should actually do in 2024

Stand pat on your core strategy, fix your mobile experience, answer the query thoroughly with real first-hand experience, and stop chasing the latest ranking trick. That is my advice to the students in the class who got hit by the five updates at the end of 2023.

Chasing algorithm shifts in real time is how you burn out. The people who win over five years keep publishing durable content and improving the pieces they already have.

Fix mobile: break the walls of text

I ran an experiment on My Wife Quit Her Job and found that articles that look fine on desktop read as one continuous wall of text on mobile. Google’s models increasingly weight how long a user stays and what they do while they are there, and a wall of text on a phone is a bounce waiting to happen.

Going back through older posts to add more images and break paragraphs is a high-ROI edit right now.

NerdWallet is the reference example: the images resize cleanly on mobile, the aspect ratios adapt, and it is genuinely easy to scroll. If a huge finance site can be readable on a phone, so can yours.

Answer the question, then add first-hand experience

My current writing rule: answer the query thoroughly, cut the fluff, then add any real personal experience I have with the tool or product being reviewed after the answer. That last step is what AI cannot fake, and it is what the March 2024 patterns rewarded. The reviews that hold up are the ones where the writer has actually used the thing.

Build your name so Google recognizes you as an entity

Google has started weighting whether people search for you by name. I get close to a thousand searches a month for “my wife quit her job” and roughly the same for “Steve Chu”, and I believe that entity recognition is one reason my author bio now shows up as a knowledge-panel style card on the side of the SERPs.

Consistent presence across YouTube, TikTok, LinkedIn, X and Instagram feeds the same signal. You do not have to master every platform, but the volume of branded search Google sees for your name matters.

How to think about voice cloning and AI content production tools

Voice cloning has crossed the threshold where trained models on tools like ElevenLabs can produce audio that is roughly 90% indistinguishable from the original speaker. Andrew Youderian generated a fake apology from me to him using my podcast audio last year, and as someone who talks to me constantly, Toni scored it around 90 to 92% believable.

Two months earlier, a similar demo from Mike Jackness’s voice landed around 50%. The quality curve is steep.

For content creators, the honest use case is production time savings. I record every podcast intro from scratch (usually 20 to 40 minutes for a single episode) because voice levels drift.

If a trained clone can generate a fresh intro that matches the levels of the recorded episode, that is 20 minutes back every week. Same logic for repurposing YouTube transcripts into podcast episodes with small script swaps (“video” becomes “episode”).

Disclosure matters, but the workflow saves real hours.

Frequently asked questions

Is Google’s search quality actually getting worse in 2024?

Yes, for many product-review and how-to queries. Multiple SEO practitioners including Glenn Allsopp of Detailed have documented Reddit dominating product-review SERPs and low-quality AI content ranking alongside legitimate publishers. My blog and every member of my SEO mastermind have seen traffic hits, and users are visibly shifting some queries to ChatGPT, Perplexity, TikTok and Pinterest.

Does AI content still rank on Google in 2024?

Yes, in the short term. Spencer Haws’s 90-day contest showed the top five participants pulling over 15,800 combined clicks with primarily AI-generated content, and one beverage site published 850 articles in 30 days to hit 4,800 visitors. The open question is what happens to those sites at 12 months and 24 months as Google keeps updating.

Should I add Reddit or Quora to my content strategy?

You can, but treat it as diversification, not as a rented replacement for owned content. Reddit and Quora rank because Google trusts them right now, and if that policy changes in a future update, anyone who moved their business onto those platforms takes the hit. Own your site, use community platforms to reach people you cannot reach on Google, and keep the two separate in your head.

How is Gen Z using Pinterest as a search engine?

Gen Z uses Pinterest for aspirational and style queries: outfit ideas, decor inspiration, event planning, aesthetic references. TikTok handles how-to and quick-answer queries in the same audience, and Pinterest’s fastest-growing demographic is 16 to 24 year olds, which is why the platform is investing heavily in that segment.

What is the biggest change content creators need to make in 2024?

Two changes matter most. First, fix your mobile experience by breaking walls of text with images and paragraphs. Second, add real first-hand experience after directly answering the query, because that signal is what post-2023 Google is rewarding and it is the one thing AI cannot fake.

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518: How AI Is Transforming Ecommerce With John Lawson

518: How Ai Is Transforming Ecommerce With John Lawson

AI for ecommerce is not a future thing. It is a right-now thing, and the highest-leverage use cases are product titles and descriptions, customer avatars, audience segment reports, long-tail keyword mining, and pulling actionable insight out of competitor product reviews. My guest John Lawson has built custom GPTs that do all of the above in a single interface, and he built them without writing a line of code.

This is a My Wife Quit Her Job interview with John Lawson, CEO of 3rd Power Outlet (a shoelace and apparel accessories brand), platinum eBay power seller, top-rated Amazon merchant, small business influencer of the year, and author of “Kick Ass Social Commerce for E-preneurs”. John has been actively using AI in ecommerce for years and is one of the sharpest practitioners I know.

Here is his complete playbook for applying AI to a physical-products business in 2024.

Key takeaways

  • ChatGPT is one year old. It went from text-only to voice, vision and image generation in that single year. Sellers who wait for the tooling to settle down are going to lose to competitors who are learning it now.
  • The top ecommerce use cases: SEO-rich product titles and descriptions, customer avatars, audience segment reports, long-tail keyword reports, and mining competitor reviews for product-improvement insight.
  • Custom GPTs let you package your best prompts, methodology, and reference docs into a reusable app. John built his (EcomAIBoss.com) using natural language, no coding.
  • The best review-mining trick: pull all the reviews for a competitor product, throw out the top and bottom scores, and have ChatGPT extract the middle-range complaints and suggestions. That is the shortlist of features that would make a better product.
  • GPT-3.5 still handles almost every text task well if you know how to prompt. GPT-4 unlocks images, plugins, browsing and custom GPTs.
  • On-device LLMs are coming. John predicts a ChatGPT 3.5-class model running locally on your phone within about a year, which changes the privacy calculus for sellers worried about handing their data to a large platform.
  • Content is king, context is queen. Facebook and Instagram ads worked because they layered context on top of content. The next platform where that plays out is TikTok, and TikTok Shop is where a lot of the emerging opportunity lives.

What ecommerce use cases is AI actually good at right now?

The strongest ecommerce use cases for AI in 2024 are written-content creation and audience research: product titles, product descriptions, SEO-rich category copy, detailed customer avatars, audience segment reports, and long-tail keyword reports. These are jobs sellers used to pay experts for or spend hours doing by hand. Now they land in the time it takes to write a good prompt.

The measurable impact is on sales, not just search rankings. John’s shoelace business is a good example.

Shoelaces sound generic until you realize the audience splits into skaters, sneaker collectors, everyday fitness buyers and distance runners, and the same product has to be pitched differently to each group. AI is what makes generating four separate on-brand descriptions for the same SKU practical.

The materials-and-weaves conversation that AI can carry for you

John’s specific win was getting AI to talk about the technical differences in his laces, like the materials used and the weave patterns, in a way that resonates with buyers. Explaining why “not all shoelaces are the same” is hard for a business owner who has been living inside the product. It is easy for a well-prompted GPT that has the specs in the prompt.

How to build a custom GPT for your ecommerce business (no coding required)

Custom GPTs are small apps that run on top of ChatGPT and are specialized for one repeatable task. John packaged his own prompts, methodology, and reference PDFs into one GPT that will write a product title and description, create a customer avatar, generate an audience segment report, and produce a long-tail keyword report. The build was pure natural language conversation with ChatGPT’s GPT Builder.

Step 1: Describe the app you want in plain English

Open the GPT Builder and describe what you want the GPT to do (“I want an AI bot that writes SEO-rich product titles and descriptions for ecommerce products”). The builder configures the GPT in the background and shows a live preview panel on the right.

The left panel is where you keep talking to it, and the right panel is where you test what you just built.

Step 2: Name it, brand it, and set the voice

The builder suggests a name and generates an icon using DALL-E 3 inside ChatGPT. It then asks about the voice you want (formal, informative, casual) and how detailed responses should be.

You answer conversationally: “make it professional and informative”, “always output five to seven bullet points”, “keep product titles under 200 characters”. Every answer gets written into the app’s instructions automatically.

Step 3: Upload your knowledge base as PDFs, docs and CSVs

The knowledge section is where the specialization actually lives. Upload PDFs of your best prompts, brand guidelines, previous top-converting copy, a CSV of your SKUs, or docs describing your buyer personas.

The GPT references those files when it responds. This is how John’s GPT knows his methodology instead of relying on generic ChatGPT defaults.

Step 4 (optional): Add API actions via Zapier

Custom GPTs can call APIs. You can wire yours to a Zapier action that reads a Google Sheet of live inventory, updates a row, or triggers a downstream automation.

You do not need to know how to write the API call yourself: give the GPT the URL of the API documentation and ask it to build the call, and it writes the code for you.

How to use AI to mine competitor product reviews for product-improvement ideas

The single sharpest AI trick John shared is competitor review mining. Give ChatGPT a competitor product’s SKU or ASIN, have it pull the reviews, throw out the top and bottom scores (the extremes rarely carry useful information), and analyze the middle-range reviews for concrete suggestions and complaints.

Those middle reviews are where you find sentences like “I love this product but it would be better if it did X”. Every “I love this but” is a product-improvement hypothesis.

Do this across the top three or four competitor products in your category and you have a ranked list of feature gaps to build against. John used this exact loop to identify the shoelace category features worth investing in. Same play works for any physical-products category on Amazon.

ChatGPT 3.5 vs GPT-4: which one should ecommerce sellers pay for?

ChatGPT 3.5 handles almost every text task an ecommerce seller needs (titles, descriptions, avatars, keyword lists) if the prompting is good. GPT-4 is where you pay for image generation with DALL-E 3, web browsing (knowledge cutoff is now current to April 2023 with browsing), plugins, and the ability to build and use custom GPTs.

If you want to package your workflow into a reusable app or generate product imagery, upgrade to GPT-4. If you are just writing copy, GPT-3.5 still gets it done, and John predicts GPT-4 becomes the free baseline within six to eight months.

Are the AI-copy startups going to survive as ChatGPT adds features?

Most of the standalone AI-copy startups are not going to survive. The historical parallel is Microsoft Word: third-party spell checkers were their own businesses in the 1990s, then Microsoft folded spell check into Word as a feature and the market disappeared overnight.

ChatGPT is doing the same thing with the GPT Builder and its expanding native features. If your product is a thin wrapper around an OpenAI API call, that feature is going to arrive inside ChatGPT itself.

The businesses that survive move up the value stack: done-with-you (guided workflows), done-for-you (agency services), or vertical specialization deep enough that a horizontal platform will not build it. General-purpose “write my product description” tools do not clear that bar.

Can I run AI on my own devices instead of sending my data to a big platform?

Yes, and the timeline is short. Models compressed enough to run on a laptop with roughly GPT-3.5 capability already exist in developer communities.

John’s projection is that within about a year (from early 2024), you will have a ChatGPT 3.5-class model running natively on your phone in its own environment, with no calls out to a cloud provider. That solves the privacy question for sellers who are hesitant to feed their business data (customer lists, product roadmap, financials) into a third party’s training pipeline.

The interim step for privacy-sensitive sellers: use the ChatGPT API with data-sharing disabled, use enterprise ChatGPT (which does not train on your data), or run a local model on your own hardware today. All three are workable in 2024.

How AI is going to change search and SEO for ecommerce

AI is going to reshape SEO by moving the top of the search results into an AI-generated answer, and the sites that keep winning will be the ones that produce content people actually engage with. John’s KPI has already shifted from “how does this rank” to “does the reader take action on this”. Keyword-stuffed pages that used to rank at the top are going to lose that spot to AI-curated summaries anyway, so the play is content that resonates deeply with a specific audience.

The bigger shift is discovery vs search. TikTok has trained users to discover rather than search, and that pattern is spreading. Sellers who build a following on a platform where their audience discovers new products are less exposed to whatever Google does to its results page next.

Content is king, context is queen: how to make AI copy actually convert

Content is king, context is queen. John wrote that line in his 2014 book “Kick Ass Social Commerce for E-preneurs”, and it is more true now than then.

Great content shown to the wrong person at the wrong moment converts at zero. Great content shown at the moment the person is deciding what car to buy converts at a much higher rate.

AI is what makes context practical at scale. Instead of writing one generic product description and running it in every ad, generate five variants keyed to five audience segments (from your GPT-built segment report) and match each variant to the placement where that segment lives. That is the difference between throwing spaghetti at the wall and serving each buyer what they were already looking for.

Which platform should an ecommerce seller build content on first in 2024?

Pick one platform, exhaust it, then expand. Multiplication by zero is still zero.

If nobody is engaging on your Facebook page, moving to Instagram and Pinterest and TikTok all at once does not fix that. Fix the first platform or move to the one where your audience actually lives.

If John were starting over today, he would start on TikTok. The pattern in every prior platform cycle (Facebook ads circa 2013, Instagram circa 2016) is that the emerging platform is where the arbitrage lives.

TikTok Shop is opening up right now and the opportunity is early. The China political risk is real, but the platform is not going away in the near term.

Where the future of ecommerce is heading (5-year view)

Nobody knows for sure, but the base-case bet is that something will eventually displace Amazon. Yahoo got displaced by Google, eBay got displaced by Amazon, and that cycle does not stop.

TikTok Shop and YouTube Shopping are the two most credible candidates for the next platform, and both are inching toward serious ecommerce ambition.

Google has always had the raw ability to be a shopping destination and has always been reluctant to compete too hard with its own SEO business. That reluctance may end.

The safer bet for individual sellers: build brand and audience on the platforms where your buyers actually discover new products, and treat every marketplace as a distribution channel rather than a home. Marketplaces come and go. Your audience is your audience.

Frequently asked questions

Do I need to pay for ChatGPT Plus to use AI in my ecommerce business?

Not for the basics. GPT-3.5 (free) handles product titles, descriptions, keyword lists and audience research well if the prompts are good. You need ChatGPT Plus ($20/month) to use custom GPTs, generate images with DALL-E 3, browse the web, and access plugins, and if you are packaging your workflow into a reusable custom GPT, the upgrade pays for itself quickly.

Will Amazon or Google penalize AI-generated product listings?

Amazon has started asking sellers whether they used AI to write their listings, and there are already Amazon listings with titles that read “I cannot fulfill this request. It goes against OpenAI use policy”, proof that sellers are bulk-publishing raw AI output without review. The safe pattern is to use AI as a draft and edit for accuracy, brand voice and compliance before publishing; raw output at scale is a policy risk.

What is a custom GPT and do I need to code to build one?

A custom GPT is a specialized app that runs inside ChatGPT. It packages your prompts, methodology and reference docs into a single interface that always behaves the way you configured it, and you build one entirely in natural language through ChatGPT’s GPT Builder (no code required). Optional API actions via Zapier let a GPT read and write to external systems like Google Sheets.

How do I use ChatGPT to research competitor products?

Feed ChatGPT the competitor product’s URL, ASIN or a copy of the top reviews. Ask it to summarize the recurring complaints and suggestions in the middle-range reviews (three and four star reviews carry the most useful signal), then list features the product is missing that reviewers requested. Repeat across your top three or four competitors and you have a ranked list of feature gaps for your own product.

Which AI tool should I focus on if I only pick one?

ChatGPT. Most other tools use it as their backend anyway, so investing in prompting skills for ChatGPT transfers to the rest of the ecosystem. Google’s Gemini and Microsoft’s Copilot are worth watching, and Google is the safer long-term bet because of its data advantage, but ChatGPT is the tool to master in 2024.

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517: Breaking Updates With Google, AI, Amazon And More With Toni Herrbach

517: The Latest News With Google, Ai, Amazon And More With Toni Herrbach

The ecommerce and content-creator news that actually matters in early 2024: Temu’s ad spend has jumped roughly 1000% year over year with 76% going to social media, the New York Times is suing OpenAI for copyright infringement over training data, Google eliminated third-party cookies in Chrome on January 4, LinkedIn discontinued lookalike audiences in favor of AI-driven predictive audiences, TikTok is now a real search engine for Gen Z (in specific categories), the FTC ruled TurboTax cannot advertise its service as free, and Google, Yahoo and every major inbox provider are enforcing new email authentication rules (DKIM, SPF, DMARC) starting February 1.

This is a Profitable Audience segment with my co-host Toni Herrbach where we walk through each story, what it actually means for online business owners, and whether you should change anything based on it.

Here is the full roundup, one story at a time.

Key takeaways

  • Temu is losing an estimated $30 per order and burning capital to blanket every ad channel. Do not copy their strategy unless you have unlimited runway.
  • The New York Times vs OpenAI lawsuit could reshape whether creators get paid for content used to train AI. Expect this to run for years.
  • Google eliminated third-party cookies in Chrome as of January 4, 2024. Non-Google ad networks lose their cross-site tracking. Google keeps its own data.
  • LinkedIn is sunsetting lookalike audiences in favor of AI-driven predictive audiences. Existing audiences still work but stop dynamically updating.
  • TikTok is a real search engine for Gen Z in three categories: recipes, workouts and fashion. Boomers are not searching there at all.
  • The FTC ruled TurboTax cannot advertise as free because roughly 70% of users do not qualify for the free version.
  • New DMARC and email authentication rules are live as of February 1. Keep spam complaint rates below 0.1%, and never above 0.3%. Send in aggregate (not segmented by engagement) to keep complaint percentages low.

Temu ad spend jumped 1000%, and 76% of it is on social media

Temu’s advertising spend jumped an estimated 1000% year over year, and 76% of that spend is going to social media rather than search or display. Temu is running a second consecutive Super Bowl commercial, and its social ads use chaotic carousel creative (a headband in frame one, a drawer organizer in frame two, no product focus) rather than any of the traditional best practices.

According to reporting from Wired going back to May 2023, Temu is losing roughly $30 per order and is not trying to be profitable in 2024. They are trying to take share.

The strategic read for regular sellers is: do not copy Temu’s playbook. Their ad economics only work at their level of capital burn, and their spend is going to push ad costs up on every platform they touch. If you match their bidding, you lose.

The de minimis loophole that makes Temu’s US strategy work

Temu ships direct from China and most orders fall under the $800 de minimis threshold, which means no import duties and no US sales tax collection at the border. That is not a Temu invention (Shein, AliExpress and the whole cross-border ecommerce model use it), but the volume Temu is doing is drawing political attention.

US legislators are looking at closing or narrowing the loophole. If they do, Temu’s landed-cost advantage compresses fast, and the US-based sellers Temu is undercutting on price get some room back.

The New York Times is suing OpenAI for billions in copyright damages

The New York Times filed a lawsuit against OpenAI alleging that OpenAI trained its large language models on Times articles without permission and is seeking billions of dollars in damages. The outcome will shape whether content creators can charge AI companies to crawl their sites, or whether AI companies can continue scraping under fair-use precedent.

I know OpenAI has crawled my site because ChatGPT can produce content “in the style of Steve Chu” and knows who I am. If the Times wins, publishers may end up with a licensing regime similar to how music rights are handled; if OpenAI wins, the status quo holds and the flood of AI content gets larger and cheaper.

Either way, this case is going to run for years and could reach the Supreme Court.

The parallel image-generation lawsuits are harder to prove

The mid-2023 artists’ lawsuit against Midjourney and other image tools is a separate track and is harder to prove because the “style” argument is fuzzier than a direct-text extraction argument. Text-based fair-use arguments are cleaner than “these images look like mine”. The Times case is where the precedent is most likely to be set.

Google eliminated third-party cookies in Chrome (January 4, 2024)

Google eliminated third-party cookies in Chrome starting January 4, 2024, which means non-Google ad networks lost their primary cross-site tracking mechanism. First-party cookies (the ones a website you visit sets directly) still work. Third-party cookies (the ones ad networks and analytics tools drop when their code loads on someone else’s site) are gone.

The strategic effect: Google’s ad monopoly gets stronger. Google does not need third-party cookies to track you across the web because it owns Chrome, Android, YouTube, Google Search, Gmail and Google Analytics, and every non-Google ad network relied on third-party cookies to do what Google does natively.

The pitch Google used to sell the change (“we are protecting your privacy”) is technically accurate, but the practical outcome is that only Google gets to collect your cross-site behavior at scale.

Apple pulled the same move earlier with Safari and Intelligent Tracking Prevention. Google has been under pressure to follow, and January 4 is when the enforcement actually landed.

LinkedIn discontinued lookalike audiences (in favor of AI predictive audiences)

LinkedIn discontinued lookalike audiences and is transitioning ad buyers to AI-driven predictive audiences. Existing lookalike audiences still work but stop dynamically updating, so the exact list of people you had targeted in your bucket in January is the same list you will be targeting in May, with no new additions and no removals for behavior changes.

The headlines called this “LinkedIn kills lookalike audiences” without mentioning that predictive audiences replace them. Lookalike and predictive audiences do broadly similar work (find people who resemble your current customers) but predictive uses more behavioral signal, which should improve targeting quality if LinkedIn has enough data. Given that LinkedIn is where users voluntarily upload their entire employment history, they probably do.

Google, Yahoo and Microsoft are enforcing new email rules (DMARC, SPF, DKIM)

Google, Yahoo and every other major inbox provider are enforcing new email authentication requirements as of February 1, 2024. Bulk senders now have to implement SPF (sender policy framework), DKIM (domain keys identified mail) and DMARC (domain-based message authentication) or their mail goes to spam. They also have to make unsubscribe easy (one-click list-unsubscribe headers) and keep spam-complaint rates below a threshold.

Spam complaint rate: below 0.1%, never above 0.3%

The hard number to remember: keep your spam-complaint rate below 0.1%, and never let it cross 0.3%. Most legitimate senders with real newsletter content sit comfortably under 0.1% and never think about it.

If yours is climbing, cull your list of non-engaged subscribers before the deadline. Every ESP (Mailchimp, Klaviyo, ConvertKit, ActiveCampaign) is publishing implementation guides.

Why to send in aggregate, not segmented by engagement

A tactic I used to run and now recommend against: sending emails in engagement-based waves (most engaged first, then less engaged). It looks smart because you protect deliverability by hitting your best openers first, but it hurts you now because inbox providers evaluate spam-complaint rate on each send.

A small “least engaged” segment can spike its own complaint rate over 0.3% and get flagged even if your overall list is clean. Sending in aggregate dilutes bad actors across the total volume and keeps the percentage low.

TikTok is now a real search engine for Gen Z (in three categories)

TikTok is now a real search engine for Gen Z in exactly three categories: recipes, workouts and fashion. Outside those categories, older demographics are not searching on TikTok at all.

The clickbait headlines saying “TikTok replaces Google” are overstated. In the categories where TikTok wins, it wins because the answers are visual, short, and personality-driven.

I have started using TikTok as a search engine myself, mostly for product problems and restaurants. When my heat press threw an error code, Google’s results were affiliate roundups and YouTube’s results were 10-minute reviews.

TikTok surfaced multiple people who had hit the exact same error, with concrete fixes in under a minute. I ended up returning the heat press to Amazon because it was still under the 30-day return window, but TikTok is what got me to the answer.

Once you trust a specific TikTok creator, the answer quality jumps

Toni fell into “auto repair TikTok” and now follows five shops. The pattern is exactly like early YouTube: once you follow a specific creator you trust, the platform becomes a legitimate reference source.

One shop she follows is a 40-year veteran mechanic whose son fronts the videos. When he ranked the worst three-row SUVs and Toni commented (she drives a Suburban), he replied in the comments with model-year-specific warnings for her exact vehicle.

That is a better answer than a $500 in-person diagnostic.

The FTC ruled TurboTax cannot advertise as “free”

The FTC ruled TurboTax cannot advertise as a free service because roughly 70% of users do not qualify for the free version. TurboTax’s advertising has run “free” claims for years while the actual free version has a URL you cannot find on the site and eligibility narrow enough to exclude most people who click through the ad.

The FTC ruling matters beyond TurboTax because there are hundreds of digital businesses running “free trial” or “free version” advertising where the free tier is deliberately unusable and every user hits an immediate upsell. TurboTax is too big to hide, so it got the ruling. Whether the FTC extends the same logic to smaller online marketers is the open question.

The version I run at My Wife Quit Her Job (and Toni runs at Profitable Audience) is a free webinar that stands on its own. Someone can watch the webinar and act on it without ever buying our paid course, and people do. That is the “free” that survives FTC scrutiny.

Large publishers are already publishing AI-generated content (without disclosure)

Large news outlets are already using AI to generate content and publishing it without human bylines. This is happening at names you have heard of.

A friend of mine runs a company called Rizzle that takes any script, generates B-roll, narration, on-screen titles and statistic call-outs, and turns it into a finished video. The same company also handles podcast video (auto-switching between talking heads based on who is speaking).

The uncomfortable irony: the New York Times is suing OpenAI while other large publishers are running AI content pipelines internally. In a market this new, the enforcement bar is inconsistent and the top-of-page results can be pure AI on major domains. That is the reality of the media landscape in early 2024.

Frequently asked questions

Should I copy Temu’s advertising strategy?

No. Temu is losing an estimated $30 per order and burning capital to blanket every ad channel. Copying their placement and creative style without their capital position means you pay Temu-level ad costs without Temu-level margin subsidies, and you lose. Focus on your unit economics and ignore what Temu is doing.

How does the New York Times lawsuit against OpenAI affect content creators?

If the Times wins, expect a licensing regime where publishers can charge AI companies to crawl and train on their content. If OpenAI wins, the status quo holds and free AI content proliferates. Either way the case will run for years and could reach the Supreme Court, so do not restructure your business around a specific outcome yet.

What is the new email spam complaint rate threshold I need to keep?

Keep your spam complaint rate below 0.1% at all times. Never allow it to exceed 0.3% on any send. Send emails in aggregate rather than segmented by engagement to dilute bad actors across your total volume, and cull non-engaged subscribers regularly to protect the ratio.

Is TikTok a real search engine for my ecommerce business in 2024?

For Gen Z audiences in recipes, workouts and fashion, yes. For older audiences and other categories, not yet.

If your product fits one of those three categories or your buyer is 18 to 25, invest in TikTok content. If your buyer is 45+ and outside those categories, prioritize YouTube and Pinterest instead.

Are third-party cookies going away completely in Chrome?

Yes. Google eliminated third-party cookies in Chrome as of January 4, 2024, and first-party cookies (set by the site you are visiting) still work.

Non-Google ad networks that relied on third-party cookies for cross-site tracking have to migrate to Google’s Privacy Sandbox APIs or accept degraded targeting. Google keeps its own cross-site data via Chrome, Android, YouTube and Search.

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516: How To Skyrocket A YouTube Channel To 180K Subs By IGNORING Best Practices With Rob Berger

516: How to Skyrocket to 180K YouTube Subscribers By NOT Following Best Practices with Rob Berger

You can grow a YouTube channel to six figures of subscribers by ignoring almost every widely taught best practice. My guest Rob Berger has 136,575 subscribers on his personal finance channel with a format that skips scripts, post-production editing, fancy thumbnails, B-roll, and attention-grabbing “shocked face” packaging.

Rob films one continuous take at his desk, trims the front and end in Final Cut Pro, hits a button to enhance the audio, and uploads. That is the entire workflow.

This is a My Wife Quit Her Job interview with Rob Berger, founder of Doughroller (the personal finance blog he grew to 2 million visitors a year, sold in 2018, and recently bought back), Forbes contributor, author of “Retire Before Mom and Dad”, and a member of my mastermind group. Rob’s YouTube channel launched during the pandemic in 2020 and hit its current subscriber count in under four years.

Here is exactly what he does, why it works for his audience, and the playbook you can lift for a channel of your own.

Key takeaways

  • 136,575 subscribers, roughly 50% returning viewers, 5% click-through rate, and a recent 20-minute video averaging 25% audience retention (very strong for that length).
  • No script. No outline most of the time. Rob films in one take at his desk, trims the ends, hits an audio enhance button, and uploads.
  • Simple text-over-photo thumbnails made in Canva in 60 seconds. No shocked-face packaging. When he tested that pattern his audience actively pushed back.
  • Bi-weekly live streams are the single strongest community-builder. He runs them every other Monday for 90 minutes and streams to YouTube, LinkedIn, Twitter, Facebook and Twitch simultaneously.
  • Free weekly Sunday newsletter (marketed only from the YouTube channel) converts viewers into a reply-and-read audience. That is where the ongoing relationship lives.
  • Publishing cadence: 2 to 3 long videos per week is the goal. “Long” for Rob means 10 to 20 minutes.
  • He niched down to investing and retirement planning for viewers 50 and older after realizing chasing stimulus-check-style viral videos was pulling in the wrong audience.

Why does an unedited, no-thumbnail YouTube channel work?

An unedited, no-thumbnail YouTube channel works when the format matches the audience and the topic. Rob’s viewers are mostly 50 and older, they want serious investing and retirement guidance from someone who sounds credentialed, and they explicitly do not want fast-cut editing, shocked-face thumbnails or performative background music.

When Rob once uploaded a heavily edited video with music, the comments were brutal. His audience wants a conversation and a real answer.

The demographic and format fit is the whole game. A 24-year-old with fast cuts is the wrong signal for a 55-year-old worried about a tips ladder.

A calm, unhurried man with a beard, at a desk, looking at the camera and answering the question directly is the right signal. Rob is what his audience trusts, and he presents that on screen.

The pacing tradeoff (and the time he sped up a video 1.15x)

At one point Rob thought his audience wanted faster pacing, so he ran a video through Final Cut Pro at 1.15x before upload. The comments called him out immediately: “Rob, what is wrong with you, why did you speed up this video?”.

Lesson: viewers can speed up video on their own using the YouTube player, they do not need the creator to do it for them, and they notice when the creator does. Slow-side pacing is a feature for the audience Rob serves.

Rob Berger’s actual YouTube workflow, step by step

Rob’s workflow reduces to one continuous take, minimal trim, hit upload. Here is the exact process for a typical educational video.

Step 1: Pick a topic you are actually interested in

Rob’s rule is that every video has to be a topic he personally cares about. When he was chasing stimulus check and student loan forgiveness videos in 2020 for the traffic, he found himself producing content he did not enjoy and attracting an audience that was not going to convert for his long-term topics. He now writes only investing and retirement planning videos for the 50+ audience and the channel is healthier for it.

Step 2: Write the working title first, then a note card if needed

The current example he gave: “The Seven Golden Rules Of Successful Investing That Never Change”. He might jot the seven items on an index card, and that is the whole prep. He works without a script, talking points or rehearsal.

Step 3: Film in one take at your desk

Camera stays on 24/7 (he uses a dummy battery plugged into the camera so it never has to be turned on). Two key lights attached to the desk from Micro Center for about $100, and a shotgun mic overhead.

A Roland video switcher between two computers lets him toggle from himself to the screen he wants to show. A teleprompter over the camera lets him see the guest during interviews without breaking eye contact with the lens.

Step 4: Trim the front and back in Final Cut Pro, enhance the audio

Drop the clip into Final Cut Pro, cut off the front and end, hit the audio enhance button, and export. If Rob flubs the first two minutes of a take, he starts over instead of editing the flub out.

Step 5: Make a 60-second thumbnail in Canva

Photo of Rob plus three or four words, built in Canva in 60 seconds. That is the entire thumbnail.

Text on the thumbnail did measurably increase views versus no text, so it clears the bar for effort worth spending. Any additional thumbnail sophistication did not clear the bar for him.

Step 6: Upload and move on

No mid-video hooks (“stay to the end for number seven”), no engagement bait, no elaborate description SEO. Publish and go play chess.

Why bi-weekly YouTube live streams are the strongest community-builder

Bi-weekly live streams are the single highest-ROI move Rob makes for community. He runs them every other Monday for about 90 minutes and takes questions in real time. He gets more questions than he can possibly answer, roughly 10,000 to 20,000 people watch the replay in the following week, and the live format builds a relationship no pre-produced video ever will.

The mental hurdle to get started is the same fear every new creator has: what if only two people show up, what if someone asks a question I do not know how to answer. Rob’s answer on both counts: if two people show up, those two people get an hour of your undivided attention and become loyal viewers, and if you get a question you cannot answer, admit it and point them somewhere useful. Neither outcome is fatal.

He simulcasts every live stream to YouTube, LinkedIn, Twitter, Facebook and Twitch using one of the multi-stream tools. Twitch has two followers who probably think he is somebody else. He does it anyway because the marginal cost of adding a platform to the stream is zero.

Newsletter as the layer that keeps viewers around

Rob publishes a free weekly newsletter every Sunday and markets it exclusively from his YouTube channel. Most of the content in the newsletter is other people’s articles that he finds interesting on investing and retirement.

That is deliberate. The point of the newsletter is to serve the reader, and the point of that service is a long-term relationship, not a one-off promotion of his own content.

He invites replies in every issue, and he reads every reply even when he cannot answer them all. The newsletter took a year to make any money and was never the point. It converts casual YouTube viewers into people who have opted into a direct relationship with him, and it makes his live stream attendance stickier.

How Rob niched down to investing and retirement planning for the 50+ audience

Rob niched down by killing the topics that were bringing in the wrong subscribers. In 2020 he was chasing stimulus-check videos because the traffic was easy, and it worked well enough to build his subscriber count.

The problem was that the subscribers he built with stimulus-check content had zero interest in the investing and retirement content he actually wanted to make for the next 10 years.

A mutual friend of Rob’s and mine ran the same play and effectively broke his channel: he became “the stimulus check guy” to an audience that could not become paying customers or long-term viewers on his real topics.

Rob’s counter: pick topics you personally care about and can create for a decade, even if the early view counts are lower. His narrower topic focus (investing and retirement, framed for 50+ viewers thinking about a 20-year horizon) built the subscriber base that keeps returning at roughly 50% every month.

Real YouTube stats from a “no best practices” channel

Retention: 25% on a 20-something-minute video is very strong

Rob’s video “How And Why To Build A TIPS Ladder” (Treasury Inflation-Protected Securities) had an average view duration of 6 minutes on a 20-something minute video, for a 25% retention rate. On a video that long, 25% retention is excellent. YouTube’s algorithm rewards watch-time, and a longer video that holds 25% often outperforms a shorter video that holds 60%.

Click-through rate: 5% on his current top video

His current impression click-through rate is 5%, which is around the same range as mine. Rob notes that CTR declines as views climb because YouTube shows the video to progressively broader audiences beyond the core demographic.

That is a healthy sign rather than a problem, and optimizing CTR at the expense of who is seeing the video is the wrong tradeoff.

Returning viewer share: roughly 50%

Rob runs at about 50% returning viewers on a typical 28-day window. That is much higher than most channels (mine sits around 30% returning).

The gap is the live streams, the newsletter, and the topic focus. Loyal audience compounds.

Rob Berger’s YouTube gear list

Camera and lens

Sony mirrorless camera with a dummy battery adapter so the camera never has to be powered on or off. This is the single-highest quality-of-life upgrade for a talking-head creator: you sit down, everything is already running, you record.

Lighting

Two key lights that attach directly to the desk. Purchased at Micro Center for about $100 total. That is the entire lighting rig.

Audio

Shotgun mic mounted overhead. Rob had a fancier mic that produced a buzz he never fully diagnosed, so he stuck with the shotgun. Audio is the single most important variable in YouTube quality (viewers tolerate bad video, they will not tolerate bad audio), so this is the one place worth spending.

Switching and monitoring

Roland video switcher between two computers (an iMac for showing his screen during videos and a gaming PC that actually records the take). A confidence monitor on the desk so he can glance down to see whether he is currently on the camera feed or the screen-share feed. A teleprompter over the lens so he can see interview guests without breaking eye contact.

Software

Final Cut Pro for the two-cut trim and audio enhance. Canva for the 60-second thumbnails. That is the software stack.

Advice for anyone starting a YouTube channel in 2024

1. Just start publishing

Use your iPhone. Do not spend six months on the gear rabbit hole.

Rob points to a personal finance creator who films every video with his phone while walking a wooded path, has around 80,000 subscribers in a few months, and pulls tens of thousands of views per video. The gear matters less than the volume of published videos.

2. Publish for six months before you decide what is working

You will not know what your topic focus should be, what videos your audience actually wants, or what your style is until you have been publishing for six months or more. Videos Rob published in his first year are videos he would never publish today, and that is fine. Publishing is how you learn what to publish next.

3. Do not chase viral videos in the wrong niche

You can build a lot of subscribers fast with viral topics (stimulus checks, breaking news, controversial takes) but those subscribers do not convert to your long-term content. The friend who broke his channel with stimulus check videos is the cautionary tale. Rob has had one viral video in four years and built his 136K subscribers from consistent, on-topic content.

4. Question every “best practice”

Rob’s core meta-lesson is that the widely taught YouTube best practices work for the creators teaching them, not necessarily for you. Fast cuts, shocked-face thumbnails, keyword-optimized titles, mid-video engagement hooks, background music: every one of those is a strategy for a specific type of channel and a specific type of audience. Test whether they help for yours before you accept them as rules.

5. Lean into your natural style

Rob was a litigator for 25 years and took hundreds of depositions, which is why he can answer questions clearly without notes or an outline. That is his edge on camera, and he leans into it.

Your edge might be technical depth, visual demonstration, storytelling, comedy or something else. Whatever it is, the video style that lets your edge come through is the right one for your channel, even if it violates every YouTube gospel of the moment.

Frequently asked questions

How long did it take Rob Berger to grow his YouTube channel to 136K subscribers?

Just under four years. Rob started the channel in 2020 during the pandemic and reached roughly 136,575 subscribers by early 2024. Growth was slow for the first six months while he figured out his format, then began to compound once he committed to a narrow topic (investing and retirement for the 50+ audience) and a repeatable production workflow.

Do you need custom thumbnails to grow a YouTube channel?

Not the dramatic kind. Rob spent years with no custom thumbnails at all (YouTube auto-picked frames from his videos) and grew the channel anyway. He now uses a simple photo-plus-three-or-four-words thumbnail built in Canva in 60 seconds, which measurably increased views versus no thumbnail; elaborate shocked-face packaging is not required.

How often should I upload videos to grow on YouTube?

Rob targets 2 to 3 long videos per week (long meaning 10 to 20 minutes for him). Consistent publishing over 6 to 12 months is more important than the exact frequency. If you cannot sustain 3 per week without burning out, publish 1 per week and hold that pace for a year.

What is the single most important piece of YouTube gear?

The microphone. Viewers will forgive imperfect video but will click away from bad audio within seconds. Buy a decent shotgun or lavalier mic before you upgrade any other piece of equipment.

Should I edit my YouTube videos heavily?

It depends on your topic and audience. If you are producing entertainment, high-energy content or short-form videos, editing matters, and if you are producing educational, in-depth content for a mature audience like Rob’s, minimal editing can be a strength. Test one unedited video with your audience and read the comments.

Do I need to script my YouTube videos?

Rob does not script or outline. Most creators do at least some outline work, and if you are new to talking on camera, an outline gives you confidence. If you can hold a conversation about your topic at dinner without notes, you can probably film without a script.

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515: How Ordinary People Can Build A 7 Figure Business In 48 Hours With Noah Kagan

515: How Ordinary People Can Build A 7 Figure Business in 48 Hours With Noah Kagan

Ordinary people can start a 7-figure business in 48 hours by using a weekend to do three things: pick a niche you would work in for free, ask real people to prepay a small amount for the solution, and ship the first version by Sunday night. That is the framework Noah Kagan lays out in his book Million Dollar Weekend, and every one of his own 7-figure companies (AppSumo, Gambit, KingSumo) was started inside a 48-hour window.

The million dollars is not made in the weekend. What is made in the weekend is the validated $1 that proves someone will pay, and everything after that is compounding.

I brought Noah back on the My Wife Quit Her Job podcast to walk through the exact steps of his Million Dollar Weekend method, why fear (not skill) is what actually stops people, and the two-part “coffee challenge” he uses to rewire that fear in about ten minutes.

Here is the full breakdown of the framework, the anecdotes behind each step, and answers to the questions readers most often ask about it.

Key takeaways

  • AppSumo, which will do $70-80 million in revenue this year, was started inside 48 hours. So were Noah’s other two companies, Gambit and KingSumo.
  • The two fears that stop most would-be founders are the fear of starting and the fear of asking. Business skills are secondary.
  • The “Law of 100” says most people quit at attempt 5 or 10. Commit to 100 tries (100 videos, 100 outreach messages, 100 pitches) before you evaluate.
  • Validate with real money in the weekend. If three real people will each prepay $1, you have a business. If zero will, you have an idea.
  • The “coffee challenge” (ask for a 10% discount at Starbucks) is the fastest way to train the asking muscle. Noah says it has changed more of his students’ lives than any business tactic.
  • Noah’s YouTube channel went from 170K to 250K subscribers in 90 days once he stopped copying “safe” talking-head videos and doubled down on the format nobody else was doing.

What is the Million Dollar Weekend framework?

Million Dollar Weekend is Noah Kagan’s framework for starting a business over a single 48-hour weekend, using validation-first tactics that require zero capital. It compresses three actions into two days: pick a customer, pitch them a solution, and collect prepayment from at least three of them before you build anything.

The name is deliberately provocative. Noah is not claiming you will bank a million dollars by Sunday night. He is claiming you can put the machine that eventually makes a million dollars into motion inside a weekend, and that most people never do because they wait months or years for the “right time” to start.

Noah’s evidence is his own portfolio. AppSumo is on track for $70-80 million in revenue this year and was built from a $50 domain and one weekend of hustle. Gambit and KingSumo, his other 7-figure companies, followed the same 48-hour launch pattern.

Why fear (not skill) is what stops most entrepreneurs

The single biggest thing blocking would-be entrepreneurs is fear, specifically the fear of starting and the fear of asking. Noah says every one-on-one call he does with a student turns into what is essentially a psych session, not a business tactics session.

His reasoning is stark. There are literally millions of business books, YouTube videos, and $10 Udemy courses teaching how to get rich.

If information were the bottleneck, everyone would already be rich. The real bottleneck is the willingness to do two uncomfortable things in public.

Noah puts it this way: “The distance between me and most of the listeners is a lot closer than they think. And the distance between where they are and where they want to be is even closer than they expect.”

The two fears you must break before you start a business

Noah identifies exactly two fears that hold new entrepreneurs back, and the entire Million Dollar Weekend method is designed to train both of them out of you in a single weekend. Everything else is downstream.

Fear of starting

The fear of starting is the belief that you need more research, more credentials, or a better setup before your first move counts. Noah’s antidote is the “now, not how” habit: pick the next 60-second action and do it now, worry about the process later. His own $25K-per-month YouTube channel started with him shirtless in his 800-square-foot house, filming on a phone, and the first video is still up.

Fear of asking

The fear of asking is the reason most businesses die between “I have an idea” and “someone paid me.” Noah’s antidote is the coffee challenge (see the next section), plus a rule: any time you want something (a raise, a partner, a customer, a podcast guest), you have to actually ask for it. Hoping is not asking.

The coffee challenge: how to train the asking muscle in 10 minutes

The coffee challenge is Noah’s single most famous exercise, and it is dead simple: walk into a Starbucks, order a coffee, and ask the barista for a 10% discount. That is the whole exercise.

The point is not the dollar you save. The point is teaching your nervous system that asking for something absurd in public does not kill you.

Noah has run this challenge with thousands of students and says it is the exercise that most changes people’s lives. Once you have asked a stranger for a discount you have no right to, asking a real prospect to prepay $50 for your product feels manageable.

The follow-on is where the money is. Nearly every real business outcome you want is an ask: a customer buying, an investor writing a check, a partner saying yes, a journalist covering you. Train the muscle on coffee so it works when the ask actually matters.

How to validate a business idea in a weekend

To validate a business idea in a weekend, get three real strangers to prepay you real money for the solution before you build it. That is the whole test. If three people will not each Venmo you $1 (or $10, or $100) for what you are proposing, no amount of building will save the idea.

Noah is emphatic that “signups,” “email addresses,” and “great conversations” do not count. Only money counts, because money is the only signal that separates people who want your thing from people who want to be polite. A ten-person prepay list is worth more than a 1,000-person waitlist.

This is the step most first-time founders skip, and it is why most first businesses fail. They spend three months on a logo, a website, and a business plan for a product nobody has agreed to buy. The weekend format forces the opposite order: sales first, product second.

The Law of 100: why most people quit right before it works

The Law of 100 is Noah’s rule that you must commit to 100 attempts at anything before you are allowed to evaluate whether it works. Most people quit at attempt 5, 10, or 20 and conclude the strategy failed. In reality, they quit before the strategy had a fair shot.

Noah’s own YouTube channel is the case study. He and one other person shipped three videos a week for 50 weeks (150 videos) before anything hit 100K views.

He had a goal of 250K subscribers with 90 days left and only 170K, and he almost quit. Instead, they scrapped talking-head videos and shipped the “knocking on doors” video, asking rich strangers in Austin how they got rich, which hit a million views and pulled the channel to the target.

The lesson: the video that worked did not exist until attempt 151. If Noah had quit at 50, the channel would be dead.

How Noah built AppSumo to $70M in 48 hours

AppSumo was built in a single weekend for less than $60, and it now does $70-80 million per year in revenue. Noah bought the domain, wrote a landing page, and pitched a lifetime software deal to his email list before any deal was in place. Once people paid, he called the software company and negotiated the discount using the money already in hand.

That sequence (sell first, source second) is the AppSumo playbook in one sentence. Most people would spend six months negotiating deals with software companies and then try to find buyers. Noah reversed it, and the reversal is why he had traction on day three.

The AppSumo business model has since expanded into recurring revenue products (Sumo.com, TidyCal, KingSumo) specifically because deal revenue is lumpy: a $2M month can be followed by a $10M month with a $1.5M monthly payroll to cover. Software subscriptions smooth that out.

How to pick a business idea worth building

The best filter for a business idea is what you would do for free. Noah’s rule is that if you would keep making the content, keep having the conversations, or keep solving the problem even with no paycheck attached, you have found a business you will still care about in year seven when it gets hard.

His own examples: he has been publishing since 2000 (blogs, then YouTube in 2006, now podcast). AppSumo is the paid version of what he already loved doing, which is promoting good products and giving people a deal. YouTube is what he already loved doing, which is meeting interesting people and asking them how they made their money.

The related filter is the “freedom number”: how little money per month do you actually need to have full freedom over your time? Sam Parr had one, Noah has one, and it is usually far lower than people assume. Once you know the number, you can build toward it directly instead of chasing an ever-moving “more” target.

Doubling down: the growth lever most founders ignore

The most obvious yet least-used growth lever in business is to do more of what already works. Noah calls it the “double down” principle at AppSumo, and it is the reason a random YouTube format experiment became a two-video-a-month franchise instead of a one-off.

The pattern is: run cheap experiments, notice which one gets an outsized response, and pour the entire budget into that one. AppSumo tested YouTube affiliates in Q1, saw insane ROI, and by Q4 had a five-person team running just that channel. Same story with the “asking rich people how they got rich” video format on Noah’s channel: three attempts worked, so it became the whole channel.

The trap on the other side is emotional investment. Founders keep pouring effort into the tactic they wanted to work instead of the tactic that actually worked. The double-down rule is the fix: promote the winners, cut the losers, do not negotiate with a losing tactic just because you spent three months on it.

Why traditional publishing beat self-publishing for Million Dollar Weekend

Noah chose a traditional publisher (Portfolio/Penguin Random House) over self-publishing for Million Dollar Weekend specifically because he wanted the book to be treated as a “major league” project, with the professional editing, production, and distribution infrastructure that comes with that path.

His challenge to me on the show was to name five self-published business books that are as iconoclastic as the top traditionally-published ones. I could name one (Brandon Turner’s real estate book), and he could not name any.

The books that have durably changed how people think about business have almost all been traditionally published.

That said, Noah is clear this is a project-fit decision, not a religion. Self-publishing is faster, keeps more of the money, and is right for many books. For a one-shot lifetime work, though, the trad-pub infrastructure (a professional audiobook engineer, a top-tier editor, and a distribution machine) was what he wanted.

Frequently asked questions

Can you really start a million-dollar business in a weekend?

You cannot make a million dollars in a weekend, but you can lay the foundation of a business that eventually does. Noah’s own AppSumo, Gambit, and KingSumo were each started inside a 48-hour weekend and each grew into 7-figure companies. The million dollars comes from years of compounding, but the machine gets started in the weekend.

What is Noah Kagan’s Million Dollar Weekend method?

Noah Kagan’s Million Dollar Weekend method is a three-step process for launching a business in 48 hours: pick a customer group you already understand, pitch them a specific solution, and collect real prepayment from at least three of them before you build anything. Prepayment is the only proof of demand that counts.

What is the coffee challenge?

The coffee challenge is an exercise where you walk into a Starbucks, order a coffee, and ask the barista for a 10% discount for no reason. It is designed to train your comfort with asking, which Noah says is the single biggest skill blocking new entrepreneurs. The dollar you save does not matter; the reflex you build does.

What is the Law of 100?

The Law of 100 is Noah Kagan’s rule that you must commit to at least 100 attempts at a new tactic before you evaluate whether it works. Most people quit around attempt 10 and conclude the tactic failed, when in reality it just had not had time to compound. Noah’s own YouTube channel needed 150 videos before it broke out.

How much money did AppSumo start with?

AppSumo started with less than $60, mostly the cost of the domain and a basic landing page, over a single weekend. Noah pre-sold a lifetime software deal to his email list and used the customer money to negotiate the deal with the software company after the fact. AppSumo now does roughly $70-80 million in annual revenue.

What is the “freedom number”?

The freedom number is the minimum monthly income you need to fully control your own time, and Noah recommends building toward it explicitly instead of chasing “more.” Once you know your freedom number, you know exactly how big your business needs to get, and you stop over-scaling for status reasons. Sam Parr, Noah, and many other 8-figure founders each set one early.

How do you know if a business idea will work?

The only reliable test for whether a business idea will work is whether real strangers will prepay you real money for it. Signups, likes, and “great conversations” do not count. If you cannot get three unrelated people to Venmo you before you build the thing, the idea is not validated and you should either reshape it or drop it.

Where can I get Noah Kagan’s Million Dollar Weekend book?

Million Dollar Weekend is available at milliondollarweekend.com, where you can also get a free chapter and the accompanying templates (one-minute business model worksheet, validation scripts, and market-research walkthroughs). It is also on Amazon in print, ebook, and audiobook formats.

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514: Behind My Brand: 2023’s Big Wins and Brutal Losses in E-Commerce

514: Behind My Brand: 2023’s Big Wins and Brutal Losses in E-Commerce

2023 was an infrastructure year for Bumblebee Linens (my 16-year-old ecommerce store) and a breakout year for My Wife Quit Her Job (my content business), which grew roughly 60% in revenue. Bumblebee revenue was up modestly and profit was way up because we bought our own office and stopped paying $6,500 a month in rent. The content business grew because I nearly killed myself doing 50+ podcast interviews to market The Family First Entrepreneur, which hit the Wall Street Journal bestseller list in May.

This is a solo My Wife Quit Her Job episode where I break down the wins, the losses, the Google core-update hit that clipped our SEO in October, and the exact plays I am running in both businesses in 2024.

Here is the full recap of what worked, what broke, and what I am changing next.

Key takeaways

  • Bought a new office at the end of 2022 to escape a 30% rent hike (from $5,000 to $6,500/month). Lost most of January to the move, but eliminated a $78K/year expense.
  • Personalized linens (handkerchiefs, napkins, towels) grew double to triple digits year over year. Non-personalized linens dropped 8-9% to Amazon and marketplace competition.
  • Google’s back-to-back October 2023 core updates hit our blog-driven traffic. Retention.com (which captures visitor emails without an opt-in) offset most of the damage by adding ~50,000 emails in a year.
  • Launched a new custom-printed linen line on Black Friday 2023 with no fulfillment process ready. Sold 23 items, burned a batch by setting the heat press too hot, and still made a few thousand dollars while learning the workflow.
  • My Wife Quit Her Job revenue grew ~60% in 2023. The lift came from the promotion cycle for the book, not the book itself: 50+ podcast appearances in three months spiked YouTube and blog traffic simultaneously.
  • YouTube ad revenue peaked at nearly $30,000/month during the book launch surge. Blog ad revenue peaked near $10,000/month. The channel is now over 280,000 subscribers.

What happened at Bumblebee Linens in 2023

Bumblebee Linens had a modest revenue year and a very strong profit year in 2023. Revenue was up thanks to a double- to triple-digit surge in personalized products, offset by an 8-9% drop in non-personalized linens. Profit was way up because we bought our own office building and eliminated the largest fixed cost on the books.

The shape of the year was ugly at the start and strong through the middle. January was gutted by an office move; February through September were record months; October brought a Google update that clipped the blog. November added an unforced-error product launch that still worked out.

The through-line: the parts of the business with a defensible moat (personalization equipment, direct email list, brand) all grew. The parts that lean on marketplace visibility (generic linen SKUs, blog SEO) went the other way.

Why we bought our own office building

We bought our own office building because our previous landlord raised the rent 30% on a 2,300 square foot space, from $5,000 to $6,500 per month. That is $78,000 a year for a small space we had been in for six years, and buying pencils out much better than renting at that price.

The move itself was painful. We shut down the shop for the first two weeks of January to physically relocate six industrial embroidery machines, 500+ SKUs of inventory, and the entire fulfillment workflow. January revenue basically disappeared as a result.

The upside is that Bumblebee no longer pays rent at all, and the space is big enough to last us a very long time. On a business doing 7-figure revenue, eliminating $78K in annual fixed cost is one of the biggest single-decision profit lifts we have ever booked.

Why personalized linens grew and generic linens shrank

Personalized linens grew because personalization is genuinely hard to copy, and generic linens shrank because generic products are a race to the bottom on Amazon. Our personalized handkerchiefs, napkins, and towels grew double to triple digits year over year. Our non-personalized SKUs dropped 8-9%.

The moat is physical. We run six industrial embroidery machines that cost tens of thousands of dollars each, and there is a steep learning curve on running them well. A drop-shipper cannot copy that in a weekend, which is exactly why the category is defensible.

My rule for building a durable ecommerce business is to never do what is easy. The easy plays (drop-shipping, buying from Alibaba and reselling on Amazon unchanged) get flooded with copycats within months. The hard plays (personalization, custom manufacturing, brand-building, content) compound instead.

How the October 2023 Google core updates hit our SEO

Google ran four consecutive core updates in the fall of 2023 to fight AI-generated spam, and one of them caught Bumblebee Linens in the blast radius. Most of the traffic loss was on blog posts that ranked but did not convert, so the sales impact was smaller than the traffic impact suggests. It still hurt.

The bigger structural shift is that Google is now weighting user-generated sites (Reddit, LinkedIn, Quora) and mega-established sites (Amazon, Etsy) much more heavily. Independent brand sites are being crowded down the page as a result. Every operator I know in the space is seeing the same pattern.

The saving grace was our owned email list, which had grown by roughly 50,000 addresses over the previous year thanks to Retention.com (a service that captures visitor emails from your site without a formal opt-in). Owned channels do not care about Google’s mood. They just work.

How Retention.com added 50,000 emails to our list

Retention.com is a service that identifies email addresses of anonymous visitors to your site and adds them to your list without requiring a signup form, and it added roughly 50,000 emails to Bumblebee Linens in a single year. It is legally in the clear (US CAN-SPAM permits opt-out consent for commercial email) and it works dramatically better than any opt-in tool we have used.

The tool matters because it converts wasted top-of-funnel traffic into an owned asset. On a typical ecommerce site, 97-99% of visitors leave without buying or opting in, and most of that intent evaporates. Retention captures a slice of it before it does.

A meaningful number of the 50,000 addresses have converted into new or repeat customers, which is why the tool paid back its subscription cost many times over. It is one of the few “growth hacks” I run in 2024 that I unreservedly recommend to other operators.

The Black Friday custom-printed linens launch (what went wrong)

We launched a brand new custom-printed linens line on Black Friday 2023 with essentially no fulfillment process in place, sold 23 items, burned a batch by running the heat press too hot, and still made a few thousand dollars while writing the SOPs on the fly. It was a mess and it was worth it.

The backstory: we bought a DTF (direct-to-film) fabric printer from Sublistar mid-2023 to answer customer requests for printed graphics on our linens (something our embroidery machines cannot do). Running a DTF printer is nothing like running an inkjet at home. Print head cleaning, powder application, oven baking, and heat pressing are all separate, hands-on steps.

I was so nervous about volume that I did not even mention the new line in the Black Friday email. We created new categories on the site, launched with nine design choices, and let customers discover it organically. In hindsight, launching an operationally complex new product on the busiest shopping day of the year with no test batches on all 500 SKUs was a genuinely dumb move that turned into a very cheap lesson.

How the Family First Entrepreneur launch grew My Wife Quit Her Job by 60%

The Family First Entrepreneur launch grew My Wife Quit Her Job by ~60% in 2023, but the growth did not come from book royalties. Every cent of my six-figure advance was spent on marketing and a book-launch coach, so the book itself made me zero dollars. The revenue lift came from the promotion cycle around the launch.

Between mid-February and May, I did 50+ podcast interviews (some days four in a row). Those episodes all released within roughly the same week, which drove a simultaneous traffic spike on my blog, YouTube channel, and course page.

Random course inquiries surged. Ad revenue exploded.

At the peak of the surge, my YouTube ads were paying almost $30,000 per month and my blog display ads were paying almost $10,000 per month. Both settled back down after the launch hype faded, but the channel emerged from the cycle at 280,000+ subscribers with a much bigger baseline than before. The book was the excuse; the promotion tour was the growth engine.

What I am doing differently in 2024

In 2024, Bumblebee Linens is testing an AI voice bot for basic customer service calls, and My Wife Quit Her Job is going all-in on video volume across YouTube long-form, YouTube Shorts, Instagram Reels, and TikTok. The theme on both businesses is “be everywhere the customer already is,” which the last year of Google turbulence has made non-negotiable.

On the ecommerce side, I am also building a handwritten-message embroidery product (brides keep asking) and figuring out how to automate the workflow so as few humans as possible touch each order. Custom-printed linens will become a real profit center once the new SOPs are stable.

On the content side, I hired a scriptwriter for YouTube long-form and someone to slice each long-form video into Shorts. I am running a real test on whether a human editor beats AI for that job, because if AI is close enough, I can scale the format to daily posting without hiring further.

Frequently asked questions

How did Bumblebee Linens perform in 2023?

Bumblebee Linens grew modestly on revenue and grew significantly on profit in 2023. Personalized products (handkerchiefs, napkins, towels) grew double to triple digits year over year, generic linens dropped 8-9%, and eliminating rent by buying our own office removed $78K of annual fixed cost.

Why did My Wife Quit Her Job grow 60% in 2023?

My Wife Quit Her Job grew about 60% in 2023 because of the promotion cycle for my book The Family First Entrepreneur, not the book royalties themselves. I did 50+ podcast interviews in three months, which released simultaneously and drove a huge traffic spike across the blog, YouTube channel, and course page.

How much money did the book actually make?

The book itself made me zero net dollars. My entire six-figure advance from Harper Collins Leadership was spent on marketing, PR, and a professional book-launch coach. The financial payoff came indirectly, through the traffic and course-sale surge that the promotion tour produced.

Which Google update hit ecommerce sites in late 2023?

Google ran four consecutive core updates in the fall of 2023 targeting AI-generated content and low-quality pages, and the October and November rounds hit many independent ecommerce sites hard. The updates also boosted user-generated content sites (Reddit, LinkedIn, Quora) and giant marketplaces (Amazon, Etsy) at the expense of smaller brand sites.

What is Retention.com and does it work?

Retention.com is a service that identifies anonymous visitors to your ecommerce site and adds their email addresses to your list without an opt-in form, and yes, it works well. It added about 50,000 addresses to Bumblebee Linens in a year, and a real slice of those addresses converted into new and repeat customers. It is legally compliant under CAN-SPAM.

Should I sell on Amazon or on my own website?

You should sell on both, with your own website as your home base and marketplaces as additional channels. Amazon-only sellers are exposed to policy changes, price competition, and account suspensions with no fallback, while owned-site-only sellers miss a huge chunk of buyer intent. Omnichannel is now the baseline, not the advanced play.

Is drop-shipping still a viable business model?

Drop-shipping is technically viable but structurally weak, because the low barrier to entry guarantees hundreds or thousands of stores selling the same product at ever-lower margins. The durable ecommerce plays involve either private-label products, custom manufacturing, personalization, or genuine brand-building through content. Easy is not the same as good.

What are the biggest ecommerce priorities for 2024?

The biggest ecommerce priorities for 2024 are diversifying traffic sources beyond Google, building an owned email and SMS list you can market to for free, and adding operational moats (personalization, customization, content) that copycats cannot replicate overnight. Video content across YouTube, Shorts, Reels, and TikTok is now a baseline requirement for reach.

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513: Meet The Man Who Makes Millions Teaching Millennials About Money With Bobby Hoyt

513: Meet The Man Who Makes Millions Teaching Millennials About Money With Bobby Hoyt

Blogging is still a viable business in 2024, but only as one piece of a multi-channel content brand. That is the qualified yes from Bobby Hoyt, founder of Millennial Money Man, whose blog is on pace for roughly $2 million in revenue this year while he is actively diversifying into YouTube, in-house courses, and even acquiring a bookkeeping firm. Starting a blog as your only asset is what he no longer recommends.

I brought Bobby onto the My Wife Quit Her Job podcast to answer the exact question I keep getting from readers: is a blog still worth starting, and if so, how do you build one that survives Google, AI, and the collapse of easy affiliate revenue?

Here is Bobby’s playbook, the numbers behind his $2M business, and the diversification moves he is making right now.

Key takeaways

  • Millennial Money Man is on pace for ~$2 million in revenue in 2023, with almost all of it coming from the blog. Bobby still calls Google the least trustworthy leg of his stool.
  • Bobby recommends new creators start on YouTube rather than a blog in 2024. Video builds trust faster, converts courses better, and is less exposed to Google’s AI-era volatility.
  • The business runs three main revenue streams: affiliate deals (largest today), in-house courses ($497-$597 price point), and paid ads through Facebook and Google to fill webinar funnels.
  • Millennial Money Man’s live-webinar-to-course funnel is being replaced with break-even evergreen webinar funnels, because the real profit is coaching communities and high-ticket back-end programs.
  • Bobby’s first course (Laptop Empires, teaching local Facebook ads) did $136,000 in its opening weekend to a 13,000-person email list. It hit seven figures in 14 months.
  • Bobby is acquiring a bookkeeping firm as a Google-independent revenue leg, both to diversify off algorithms and to keep his bookkeeping course anchored in real practice.

Is blogging still a viable business in 2024?

Blogging is still a viable business in 2024, but only as part of a broader content brand that also includes video, an owned email list, and in-house products or services. Bobby Hoyt’s own site, Millennial Money Man, is on pace to do roughly $2 million in revenue this year, almost entirely from the blog. He is also the first to say he would not tell someone starting today to build a blog as their only asset.

The math still works, but the risk profile has changed. In 2015, a blog by itself could be a business.

In 2024, a blog by itself is a single point of failure sitting downstream of one company (Google) that keeps changing its mind.

Bobby’s compromise is to keep the blog running as the main revenue engine while aggressively diversifying into YouTube, in-house courses, and acquired service businesses. Anyone starting from zero today should build the video channel first and let the blog be the secondary asset.

Why start a YouTube channel before a blog in 2024?

New creators should start a YouTube channel before a blog in 2024 because video builds trust faster, converts high-ticket offers dramatically better, and is less exposed to Google’s AI-driven ranking volatility. Bobby has hired a dedicated head of YouTube content and is shifting Millennial Money Man’s growth budget toward video for exactly these reasons.

The trust argument is the biggest one. A blog post from a stranger and a YouTube video from a person whose face and voice you know are not the same product. When Bobby’s team A/B tested course sales from cold blog traffic versus warm YouTube viewers, the video audience converted at multiples of what the blog audience did.

YouTube is not immune to algorithm risk (Google owns it, after all). Bobby’s take is that it is meaningfully less bad than the current SEO landscape, and the format itself has more staying power. Video also feeds into short-form (Reels, Shorts, TikTok) as a byproduct, which a blog post does not.

How Millennial Money Man makes money (the revenue mix)

Millennial Money Man makes money through three main channels: affiliate revenue (currently the largest slice), in-house courses in the $497-$597 range, and paid ads that fill evergreen webinar funnels for those courses. Sponsored content is intentionally not a meaningful line item.

Affiliate revenue comes from sending leads to rideshare (Uber, Lyft, DoorDash), survey, and financial products where the audience has real transactional intent. It is the biggest revenue line and the one Bobby trusts the least, because a single affiliate program cancellation can wipe out a year’s worth of ranking work overnight.

The in-house course lineup includes Proofreading Launchpad, Brilliant Bookkeeper, Big Money Writer, and two or three more launching in 2024. A high-ticket accounting program aimed at professionals scaling to six figures is also in the pipeline. The courses exist specifically because Bobby wants revenue lines he actually controls.

The Bobby Hoyt course-instructor model (how he runs 6+ courses)

Bobby runs a growing catalog of courses without personally teaching most of them by structuring each course as a royalty deal with a subject-matter expert. Two patterns cover most cases: an internal employee with expertise creates and hosts a course, or an external practitioner is recruited, vetted, and signed to a royalty agreement.

The proofreading course (Proofreading Launchpad) is taught by full-time employee Ariel Gardner, who gets a royalty on top of her salary plus profit sharing and an equity pathway. That structure lets employees participate in the upside of a course they helped create without leaving the company.

The bookkeeping course (Brilliant Bookkeeper) is taught by Kristin Metter, an outside bookkeeping-firm owner who interviewed well, tested well on camera, and signed a royalty agreement. Bobby is now trying to bring her on full time. The general principle: you do not need to be the instructor of every course you sell, you need to be the operator that puts great instructors on the platform.

Why Bobby is switching from live to evergreen webinars

Bobby is switching Millennial Money Man from live webinars to evergreen (pre-recorded) webinar funnels because live webinars do not scale operationally, and the real profit is not on the front-end $497-$597 course anyway. It is in the coaching communities and high-ticket back-end offers those courses feed.

The trade-off is a lower conversion rate on the front end for a much higher operational ceiling. If a break-even funnel produces free customers who then buy the higher-ticket back-end, the front-end conversion rate is almost irrelevant. Bobby’s team is explicitly modeling front-end break-even, not front-end profit.

His pattern for the redesigned funnel is radical transparency. The new evergreen webinars open by telling viewers upfront that they will be pitched, then over-deliver on the free content, and follow up hard afterward. Consumer sophistication has killed the sneaky-webinar era; the honest one still converts.

How Bobby launched his first course to $136K in a weekend

Bobby launched his first course, Laptop Empires (teaching local Facebook ads to agency owners), to $136,000 in revenue in its opening weekend from a 13,000-person email list, and hit seven figures in 14 months. The launch worked because he had spent years giving away value with zero selling, so the list trusted him completely by the time he made an ask.

The list was small. Thirteen thousand subscribers is not a big list by 2024 standards. The conversion rate at launch was extraordinary because those thirteen thousand people had received months of free tactical content without a single pitch, and the goodwill translated into buyer intent when he finally offered a paid product.

The lesson generalizes. You do not need a huge audience to hit a strong launch. You need an audience that trusts you, and trust comes from giving before asking, at whatever ratio your patience allows.

How Bobby thinks about AI’s impact on blogging

Bobby’s read on AI is that it will reshape what human writers are paid to do, without killing writers or blogs outright. The valuable work shifts from “producing content” to “curating and quality-controlling AI output,” which Fincon speaker Paula Pant called being the “tastemaker.”

He is skeptical of the “generate 10,000 AI articles and dump them on your site” playbook that has become common in some SEO circles. Google keeps flip-flopping on whether AI content is fine, and the sites that bet the farm on it have taken outsized hits during core updates. Bobby’s team uses AI sparingly and keeps the Millennial Money Man voice explicitly conversational, which is why they survived the fall 2023 updates in decent shape.

His broader bet is that AI adoption will happen more slowly than headlines suggest. When he asked his nieces and nephews, ChatGPT was not something they used; everyone still Googled. The Yahoo-to-Google flip was one year, so mass shifts can happen fast, but he is not betting the business on ChatGPT displacing Google in 2024.

Why Bobby is acquiring a bookkeeping firm

Bobby is acquiring a bookkeeping firm as a Google-independent revenue leg and as a live testing ground for his Brilliant Bookkeeper course. The firm itself does not need to be huge. It just needs to generate cash that is completely detached from algorithms and provide a real-world workflow to keep the course content current.

Bookkeeping is unusually well-suited to this play. LTV on bookkeeping clients is extremely high (people rarely switch once they find a good bookkeeper), AI has already entered the space via QuickBooks and similar tools without displacing humans, and the tax-code nuance means human review will stay valuable for a long time. It is a compounding, low-churn asset.

The strategic logic applies well beyond bookkeeping. Any content brand that sells a course in a service category should look at whether it can own or acquire a small service business in that same category. The service business smooths revenue, informs the curriculum, and reduces algorithmic exposure all at once.

How long does it take a new blog to make real money?

A new blog takes at least 12-18 months to produce full-time-income revenue, and typically 2-3 years to hit six figures, according to both Bobby’s experience and mine. Anyone promising faster is selling something. The honest timeline is why Bobby recommends new creators either have another income source lined up or start with a service business alongside the blog.

Bobby’s own path: he quit his high school band-director job with $3 in blog revenue, and it took him about 18 months to earn what could reasonably be called a full-time income. He bridged the gap by running a local SEO agency, which paid the bills while the blog compounded.

My own timeline was similar. Two years to any meaningful income, three years to six figures.

The right frame is that the first six months should be treated as an investment where you make zero dollars, and any revenue in that window is a bonus. Expect no monetization for months and you will actually stick with the work long enough to reach it.

Frequently asked questions

Is starting a blog still worth it in 2024?

Starting a blog is still worth it in 2024 as one leg of a broader content strategy, but not as your only asset. Bobby Hoyt recommends new creators start with a YouTube channel first because video builds trust faster and is less exposed to Google’s AI-era volatility, then layer in a blog as a secondary traffic source.

How does Millennial Money Man make money?

Millennial Money Man makes money through three main channels: affiliate revenue from rideshare, survey, and financial product referrals; in-house courses in the $497-$597 range including Proofreading Launchpad, Brilliant Bookkeeper, and Big Money Writer; and paid ads on Facebook and Google that fill evergreen webinar funnels for those courses.

How much revenue does Bobby Hoyt’s blog generate?

Bobby Hoyt’s blog Millennial Money Man is on pace for approximately $2 million in revenue in 2023, with the majority coming from affiliate revenue and in-house course sales. The site has been growing since 2015 and is being expanded into a full media company with six full-time employees.

Should a new content creator start with a blog or YouTube?

A new content creator should start with YouTube in 2024, because video builds trust faster, converts higher-ticket offers better, and is less exposed to Google’s algorithm volatility than blog SEO. A blog can be added later as a secondary traffic source once the YouTube channel has traction.

How long does it take a blog to make full-time income?

A new blog typically takes 12-18 months to produce full-time-income revenue and 2-3 years to reach six figures. Bobby Hoyt bridged the gap with a local SEO agency; other bloggers use freelance work or a service business until the blog compounds enough to replace day-job income.

Is AI-generated content bad for SEO?

AI-generated content will not automatically wreck your SEO. The strategy of mass-producing thousands of AI articles and dumping them on a site has produced outsized hits during Google core updates. Bobby’s team uses AI sparingly and keeps a distinctly conversational human voice, which held up well through the fall 2023 updates.

What is the best price point for an online course?

The best price point for an online course depends on the audience’s earning potential and the outcome the course delivers. Bobby Hoyt sells his front-end courses at $497-$597 for consumer-audience programs and plans higher-ticket programs (multi-thousand-dollar range) for professional audiences like accountants and existing agency owners.

Are live or evergreen webinars better for selling courses?

Live webinars generally convert at a higher rate than evergreen webinars, but evergreen webinars scale operationally and free the team from constant live delivery. Bobby’s approach is to break even on the evergreen funnel and make the real profit on back-end coaching, community, and high-ticket programs the front-end course leads to.

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512: My Predictions For Ecommerce In 2024 | The Good, The Bad And The Ugly

511: My Predictions For Ecommerce In 2024 And How You Should Prioritize Your Time

My six ecommerce predictions for 2024 are that cheap Chinese drop-shipping dies as a viable model, Temu eats the unbranded commerce category, Amazon’s newest fee stack pushes casual sellers off the platform, content-driven brands become the only durable moat, skilled labor mass-outsources overseas, and AI-generated spam floods every content platform. Every one of these trends started in 2023, and 2024 is when they become the default reality.

This is a solo My Wife Quit Her Job episode where I walk through each prediction, the numbers behind it, and the moves you need to make right now if you are running an ecommerce or content business.

Here is the full breakdown, prediction by prediction, plus what to actually do about each one.

Key takeaways

  • Small-ticket drop-shipping ($10-$20 items from AliExpress) is no longer economically viable in 2024, mainly because Temu and Shein sell the same items direct-from-factory at ~1/3 the price with free shipping.
  • Temu went from launch to roughly 1/3 the traffic of Amazon in one year (Nov 2022 to April 2023) and became the top-downloaded app in the App Store. Amazon’s apparel division is down 30% year over year against Temu and Shein, per Amazon reps.
  • Starting March 2024, Amazon adds a new inbound placement fee ($0.21-$0.68 for standard, $2.16-$6 for oversized) plus a new low-inventory fee if you carry less than 28 days of stock. FBA now punishes both too much and too little inventory.
  • US credit card debt hit a record $1.079 trillion in Q3 2023 (per LendingTree), the highest since 1999. Over 62% of Americans (and half of those earning $100K+) live paycheck to paycheck (per CNBC).
  • ChatGPT has erased the “native English writer” premium. Overseas content teams plus AI cleanup produce work that is functionally indistinguishable from US-based writers at ~1/3 the cost.
  • Chinese Amazon listings are now nearly indistinguishable from US listings thanks to ChatGPT, which has removed one of the last language-based advantages US private-label sellers had.

Prediction 1: Cheap drop-shipping dies in 2024

Cheap drop-shipping of $10-$20 products from AliExpress and similar China-based apps stops being a viable business model in 2024, because Temu now sells the exact same items direct from the factory at roughly one-third the price with free shipping. The dropshipper is a middleman who no longer has any pricing advantage, only cost and hassle.

The math is brutal. A T-shirt dropshipped from a US store will cost the customer $20-$25; the same shirt on Temu costs $7 with shipping included. No customer pays 3x for a functionally identical item unless there is a reason (a brand they trust, a story they care about, service they can rely on) that the dropshipper does not provide.

Dropshipping also comes with hidden operational costs most tutorials skip. Quality control is terrible, packaging arrives damaged, shipments get lost in transit for months, and you (the dropshipper) still eat every customer service ticket and refund. Low margin plus high hassle plus no moat is the definition of a business that dies when a factory-direct competitor shows up.

Prediction 2: Temu will eat unbranded commerce

Temu is going to continue its explosive growth in 2024 and structurally destroy the unbranded commodity ecommerce category. Between November 2022 and April 2023 (five months) it captured roughly one-third of Amazon’s traffic and became the number one downloaded app in the US App Store. That trajectory is not slowing.

Temu’s competitive advantage is that it removes every layer between the Chinese factory and the US consumer. There is no importer, no US wholesaler, no dropshipper, no Amazon FBA fee stack, and no US retail markup. On a $7 T-shirt with free shipping, there is literally no room for a Western middleman to insert margin.

The macro tailwind is worse for US sellers. US consumers hit a record $1.079 trillion in credit card debt in Q3 2023 (per LendingTree), the highest since 1999.

Over 62% of Americans live paycheck to paycheck (per CNBC), including more than half of those earning over $100K. Wallet-stretched consumers flock to the cheapest possible option, which is Temu.

Prediction 3: Amazon’s 2024 fee hikes will wipe out casual sellers

Starting March 2024, Amazon is layering two new fees onto FBA sellers (a per-unit inbound placement fee and a low-inventory fee) that will push a large chunk of casual and marginal sellers off the platform entirely. The professional operators will survive; the “throw up a listing and see what happens” crowd will not.

The specific numbers: a new inbound placement fee of $0.21-$0.68 per standard-size item and $2.16-$6 per oversized item, on top of every fee Amazon already charges. Plus a new low-inventory fee that triggers if you keep fewer than 28 days of stock in the warehouse. Combined with the existing over-inventory fee, sellers now have to walk a tighter inventory tightrope than ever before.

The strategic implication is that Amazon in 2024 requires real professional operating discipline: accurate demand forecasting, tight supply-chain execution, and financial visibility into unit economics after every fee. Sellerboard is the accounting app I recommend to see your real net profit; if you have not run your account through it, do that this week.

Prediction 4: Content becomes the only durable brand moat

Content-driven brand building becomes the only durable moat in ecommerce in 2024, because commodity products are getting eaten by Temu and unbranded Amazon listings are getting eaten by fee hikes. If customers do not know who you are and why they should buy from you, price wins, and you cannot win on price against a Chinese factory.

The mechanic is straightforward. People buy from operators they know, like, and trust, and the only scalable way to create that at internet scale is content: blog posts, podcasts, YouTube, TikTok, short-form video showing the day-to-day of the business. My own online-store course competes against hundreds of alternatives, and students buy mine because they resonate with my story and teaching style, not because it is objectively cheaper.

Practically, that means every ecommerce operator in 2024 needs a content channel where they show up as the human owner. It does not have to be all four platforms. It has to be at least one, done consistently, with your face and voice on it.

Prediction 5: Skilled labor mass-outsources overseas (thanks to AI)

Skilled ecommerce labor (content writers, social media managers, developers, engineering directors) is mass-outsourcing overseas in 2024, and AI is the reason it finally works at scale. ChatGPT cleans up any grammar and phrasing issues in non-native English copy, which erases the one durable advantage US-based writers used to have.

I have shifted nearly my entire writing team overseas. The workflow is simple: overseas writer produces the draft, ChatGPT smooths the phrasing, editor does a light final pass. Output quality is indistinguishable from what I got at 3x the price from US-based writers a year ago.

The same dynamic is playing out on Amazon. Chinese-owned Amazon listings used to be spottable in three seconds because the English copy was rough, and that tell is gone.

Chinese sellers now produce US-quality listings via ChatGPT, and they still have the underlying factory-direct cost advantage. That combination is a structural problem for US private-label sellers who assumed their language edge would last.

Prediction 6: AI-generated spam floods every content platform

2024 will produce more AI-generated spam and misinformation than every prior year combined, and every major content platform (Google, YouTube, Amazon Kindle, Instagram) will spend the year losing ground to the flood. Google ran four back-to-back core updates in 2023 to fight it and is still visibly losing.

On YouTube, tools like InVideo AI and Rizl let one operator produce millions of faceless AI-generated videos in a matter of days. Look at your own YouTube homepage right now. My recommendations are 10-20% AI-generated video already; that share is only going up.

On Amazon Kindle, AI-generated ebooks are already flooding the store faster than moderators can pull them. And AI influencers are becoming a real category: Aitana Lopez, a fully fictional AI influencer, has over 200,000 Instagram followers and charges $1,000 per sponsored post (per Ars Technica). The line between real and generated is about to stop being useful.

What to actually do about these 2024 predictions

The 2024 ecommerce playbook that survives all six of these predictions is: sell your own branded product (not commodities or dropshipped items), invest heavily in content that shows your face, keep FBA inventory tightly forecast, own your customer relationship via email and SMS, and use AI plus overseas talent to keep your unit costs low. Every one of these moves reinforces every other one.

The one prediction I am least certain about is government intervention. The US labor market cannot indefinitely absorb the outsourcing wave AI is enabling, and I expect some form of political response by the end of 2024. That could be minimum wage hikes (like California’s), tariff changes, or something else, and it will affect operator economics in ways that are hard to price today.

The through-line across all six predictions is that 2024 rewards operators who own their brand, own their audience, and own their cost structure. Everyone else is a middleman getting compressed from both sides at once.

Frequently asked questions

Is drop-shipping dead in 2024?

Cheap drop-shipping of $10-$20 products from Chinese suppliers is no longer economically viable in 2024, because Temu sells the exact same items direct-from-factory at roughly one-third the price with free shipping. Higher-ticket private-label and branded drop-shipping can still work; commodity drop-shipping cannot.

What is Temu and why is it growing so fast?

Temu is an online marketplace that ships products directly from Chinese factories to US consumers at prices US retailers cannot match, and it is growing because it removes every middleman layer from the supply chain. Between November 2022 and April 2023, Temu grew to roughly one-third of Amazon’s US web traffic and became the top downloaded app in the US App Store.

How much are Amazon’s 2024 FBA fee increases?

Amazon’s March 2024 FBA fee increases include a new inbound placement fee of $0.21-$0.68 per standard-size unit and $2.16-$6 per oversized unit, plus a new low-inventory fee that triggers when you carry fewer than 28 days of stock. These fees are additive on top of Amazon’s existing fee structure.

Is Amazon FBA still worth it in 2024?

Amazon FBA is still worth it in 2024 for sellers who have professional-grade inventory forecasting, accurate unit-economics tracking, and a private-label brand that commands premium pricing. It is no longer worth it for casual sellers throwing generic products on the platform, because the new fee stack will erode their thin margins to zero or negative.

Will AI replace content writers and developers?

AI will dramatically reduce demand for entry-level content writing and developer work in 2024, without fully replacing either role. My own 2024 forecast is that senior operators plus AI produce more output than a full junior team ever did, so hiring shifts toward fewer, more experienced people and heavy reliance on AI tools.

How is ChatGPT changing Amazon listings?

ChatGPT has erased the language advantage US-based Amazon sellers used to have over Chinese sellers, because non-native English copy can now be polished to native quality in seconds. Chinese factory sellers now produce US-quality listings while retaining their factory-direct cost advantage, which is a structural problem for US private-label competitors.

What is an AI influencer and are they profitable?

An AI influencer is a fully fictional social media persona generated by AI that posts content, gathers followers, and earns sponsorship revenue like a human influencer. Aitana Lopez, one of the most followed examples, has over 200,000 Instagram followers and charges $1,000 per sponsored post, showing the category is already commercially viable.

How do you compete with Temu as a US ecommerce seller?

You compete with Temu by building a branded product with a story customers care about, showing up as a real human via content (blog, podcast, YouTube, short-form video), and owning the customer relationship through email and SMS. You will never win on price; you can win on trust, brand, and service.

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511: Why EVERYONE Is Ditching PayPal – Here’s The Ugly Truth!

Why EVERYONE Is Ditching PayPal -  Here's The Ugly Truth!

PayPal charges online stores 2.9% + $0.30 per credit card transaction and 3.49% + a fixed fee for any checkout paid with a PayPal balance, which makes it easily the most expensive way to accept payments online for any store doing meaningful volume. On top of that, PayPal stopped refunding processing fees on returned orders in 2019, so a $1,000 sale that gets returned still costs you the full $29.30 in fees. In this solo episode of the My Wife Quit Her Job podcast, I walk through the year-end payment processing audit I ran on my own store, Bumblebee Linens, and share the exact steps that took my effective rate from 2.99% down to 1.7%.

I also cover why PayPal limits or freezes seller accounts, the specific triggers my PayPal account manager told me they watch for, and the “interchange plus” pricing model you should be asking every processor to quote. If you process more than $10,000 a month and you have not looked at your payment processing statement in a year, this post will almost certainly save you thousands.

Below you will find the current PayPal fee schedule, a side-by-side cost comparison at $1M in annual sales, the account-freeze checklist, and a five-step plan to renegotiate your processing costs.

Key takeaways

  • PayPal charges 2.9% + $0.30 for credit card checkouts and 3.49% + a fixed fee when a buyer pays with their PayPal balance, making it the most expensive mainstream option for online stores.
  • PayPal has not refunded processing fees on returns since 2019, so every refund you issue is a permanent fee loss.
  • At $1M in annual sales with a 50/50 PayPal/credit card mix, PayPal costs roughly $31,950 per year. A 2.2% interchange plus deal costs about $22,000. That is $10,000 in pure savings.
  • Ask any processor for “interchange plus” pricing so you pay a fixed markup above the non-negotiable wholesale rate. Anything else is a black box.
  • PayPal freezes accounts most often on unusually large deposits, chargeback spikes, restricted categories (CBD, controlled substances), mismatched business info, or logins from strange locations.
  • If PayPal payments are a big share of your checkout, Braintree (owned by PayPal) is the easiest way to keep the PayPal button while cutting your effective rate.
  • Cardfellow.com is the fastest way to comparison-shop processors like Authorize.net and Elavon on real interchange plus quotes.

How much does PayPal really cost merchants?

PayPal’s current standard merchant rate in the United States is 2.9% + $0.30 per credit card transaction and 3.49% + a fixed fee per transaction when the buyer pays with a PayPal wallet balance or PayPal Credit. That 3.49% number is the one most sellers miss, and it is the single biggest reason PayPal has become the most expensive way to accept payments on your own site.

For over a decade I had a negotiated PayPal rate of 2.2% + $0.30, which is genuinely competitive. I got careless and stopped reading my statements. When I finally audited the account, the rates had drifted back up to standard pricing and no one at PayPal had ever emailed me about it.

Paying with a PayPal balance costs PayPal effectively nothing to process, so charging half a point more than a credit card is pure margin for them. Accepting PayPal on your site used to be the cheapest option, and now it is the most expensive.

PayPal fee example: what a $1M store actually pays

A store doing $1M per year with a 50/50 split between PayPal wallet payments and credit cards pays PayPal roughly $31,950 per year in processing fees. A comparable interchange plus deal at 2.2% costs about $22,000 for the same volume. The difference is nearly $10,000 a year in pure savings you can redirect to inventory or ads.

Scenario ($1M revenue, 50/50 split)Effective rateAnnual processing cost
PayPal standard (2.9% cards + 3.49% wallet)~3.20%~$31,950
PayPal legacy negotiated (2.2%)2.2%~$22,000
Interchange plus 0.1% (Braintree, Authorize.net, Elavon)~1.7%~$17,000

My own effective rate on Braintree over the 2023 holidays came in at 1.7%. That is less than half of what I would have paid on standard PayPal pricing on the same sales.

Why PayPal is worse now: no fee refunds on returns since 2019

Since 2019, PayPal no longer refunds the processing fee when you refund a customer, so every return is a permanent 2.9% + $0.30 loss on the original sale. On a $1,000 return that means you eat $29.30 out of your own pocket even after refunding the customer in full.

Most major competitors, including Stripe and Braintree, also stopped refunding processing fees over the past few years, so this is now industry standard. That makes your interchange plus markup even more important, because you cannot recover those fees on any returned order.

The higher your return rate, the more this hurts. Apparel sellers with 20%+ return rates should model this line item explicitly when comparing processors.

Why does PayPal limit or freeze seller accounts?

PayPal is a low-risk payment processor with a strict list of prohibited categories and fraud triggers, and once your funds are frozen you can lose access to them for up to 180 days. I have friends running digital product businesses who have had accounts locked immediately after a big launch, including one who had $40,000 held for 180 days.

I called my PayPal account manager to ask what actually triggers a freeze. Below is the list they gave me, straight from the source.

PayPal account limit triggers to watch for

  • You received an unusually large deposit that is well above your normal average, like right after a launch or a viral post.
  • A customer filed a complaint against your business through PayPal’s resolution center.
  • You have a series of chargebacks in a short window.
  • Your site sells restricted or questionable content, including CBD, controlled substances, or anything that violates PayPal’s Acceptable Use Policy.
  • Your account information is out of date or your account is not fully verified.
  • Someone logged into your PayPal account from an unusual location.
  • A background check flags credit history or prior fraudulent activity on the account.

How to prevent PayPal from freezing your account

The single highest-leverage move is to call PayPal before any large launch or promotion so they see the incoming volume ahead of time and mark the account as expected activity. Everything else on the checklist below is about eliminating mismatches that trigger their automated fraud rules.

PayPal account safeguards checklist

  • Call PayPal ahead of any big product launch, giveaway, or sales spike so a real human notes the expected volume on your account.
  • When you fill out PayPal’s onboarding survey, check off the higher revenue tiers so their expected monthly volume matches reality.
  • Confirm your account has no daily or monthly receiving limits. Call support and ask them to remove any caps that were auto-set at signup.
  • Make sure your business name on PayPal exactly matches the name on your bank account, EIN registration, and credit card statements.
  • Use the same address and phone number across PayPal, your bank, and your business filings.
  • Ship with a tracked, verifiable carrier so every dispute can be answered with delivery confirmation.
  • Confirm your EIN or Social Security Number on PayPal matches the legal business name on the account.

What is interchange plus pricing (and why you should demand it)?

Interchange plus is a payment processing pricing model where you pay the card network’s fixed wholesale “interchange” rate plus a small, disclosed markup, instead of a blended rate the processor sets themselves. It is the only pricing structure that lets you see exactly what the processor is making on you, so it is the only structure you should accept if you are doing real volume.

Every time a card is swiped, the card-issuing bank charges an interchange fee that is set collectively by Visa and Mastercard and is identical no matter which processor you use. For a standard swiped Visa consumer credit card, current interchange is about 1.51% + $0.10, and a Visa Reward Signature card runs around 2.3% + $0.10. Processors have zero control over that wholesale rate.

With interchange plus 0.1%, you pay 0.1% above the wholesale rate on every transaction plus the actual interchange for the card used. On a $100 sale on a standard Visa card, that works out to roughly $1.61 in interchange plus about $0.10 in processor markup.

The alternative, “flat rate” pricing (like Stripe or standard PayPal), bundles interchange and markup into one number that hides how much margin the processor is taking on premium cards. On rewards cards where interchange spikes above 2%, flat rate looks reasonable. On plain consumer cards where interchange is 1.51%, you are handing the processor a huge premium.

PayPal alternatives for online sellers: Braintree, Stripe, Authorize.net, Elavon

The four PayPal alternatives most worth pricing out are Braintree, Stripe, Authorize.net, and Elavon, because they all offer interchange plus pricing at competitive markups and integrate with the major shopping carts out of the box. The right choice depends on how much of your checkout flow currently runs through PayPal.

ProcessorBest forNotes
BraintreeStores that want to keep the PayPal buttonOwned by PayPal. Bundles PayPal wallet acceptance at a lower rate than direct PayPal, plus normal card processing at interchange plus.
StripeDeveloper-heavy stores, subscriptions, digital productsFlat 2.9% + $0.30 out of the box. Interchange plus available at higher volume through Stripe’s enterprise team.
Authorize.netEstablished stores with a merchant account alreadyPayment gateway that pairs with any interchange plus merchant account. Long-standing option with wide cart support.
ElavonHigh-volume stores that want a full merchant accountBank-backed processor. Aggressive interchange plus quotes for stores above ~$500K/year.

If PayPal is a big share of your checkout, Braintree is the easiest switch because it keeps the PayPal button live while dropping your effective rate. If most of your customers pay by card, use Cardfellow.com to run a competitive bid across Authorize.net, Elavon, and a few regional processors and pick the lowest interchange plus quote.

How to audit your credit card processing fees in one afternoon

Pull your last full month of processing statements and calculate your effective rate: total fees paid divided by total sales processed. Anything above 2.5% is worth renegotiating, and anything above 3% means you are almost certainly on flat-rate PayPal or Stripe pricing and leaving money on the table.

Step 1: Calculate your current effective processing rate

Add up total processing fees and total sales for the same month, then divide fees by sales. If you are paying $3,000 on $100,000 in sales, your effective rate is 3.0%.

Step 2: Separate PayPal wallet volume from card volume

In your PayPal or gateway dashboard, filter transactions by payment source. Knowing the PayPal-wallet share tells you whether Braintree (keeps the button) or a pure card processor (drop the button) is the better switch.

Step 3: Get three interchange plus quotes

Run your volume through Cardfellow.com and request quotes from Braintree, Authorize.net, and one bank-backed processor like Elavon. Insist on interchange plus with a single markup number, no monthly minimums, and no early-termination fees.

Step 4: Model the return-fee cost

Multiply your annual return volume by your current effective rate to see how much you are losing on returned orders. This is money the new processor also will not refund, so factor it into your annual number.

Step 5: Switch and re-measure after 60 days

Migrate to the winning quote, run 60 days of live volume through it, then recalculate the effective rate. If it is not at or below the quoted number, escalate with your account manager before month three.

What if PayPal already froze my funds? How to get your money back

If PayPal has limited or frozen your account, call PayPal Merchant Services directly, ask to speak to a resolutions specialist, and be ready to supply invoices, tracking numbers, and proof of fulfillment for every recent order. The single fastest path to unfreezing funds is providing evidence that every recent order was legitimately fulfilled and delivered.

If the hold is fraud-related, PayPal is legally allowed to hold funds for up to 180 days under their user agreement. During that window, stop routing new orders to PayPal, switch checkout to Braintree or another processor immediately, and file a Consumer Financial Protection Bureau complaint if PayPal will not give you a specific resolution timeline.

Do not send more transactions into a frozen account trying to “flush” the balance. That triggers additional fraud flags and can extend the hold.

Should I still accept PayPal on my online store?

Yes, you should still offer PayPal as a checkout option, because a meaningful share of online shoppers will abandon a cart before typing in a credit card, and PayPal auto-fills their address and payment details. The right way to offer it is through Braintree, so you get PayPal-button acceptance at a lower blended rate than PayPal charges directly.

There are two reasons I still recommend keeping the PayPal button live. First, PayPal auto-imports the buyer’s shipping and payment info, which is a huge conversion lift on mobile where typing a full address is one of the top cart abandoners. Second, some shoppers only pay by PayPal and will not go dig up a physical card.

Just do not accept PayPal directly. Route it through Braintree so you keep the button, keep the conversion lift, and cut the fee at the same time.

Frequently asked questions

What percentage does PayPal take from a sale in 2026?

PayPal’s standard US merchant rate is 2.9% + $0.30 per credit card transaction and 3.49% + a fixed fee per transaction when the buyer pays with a PayPal balance or PayPal Credit. Higher-volume merchants can negotiate down to roughly 2.2% but PayPal rarely offers it unless you ask directly.

Does PayPal refund fees on returns?

No, PayPal stopped refunding processing fees on refunded transactions in 2019. On a $1,000 sale that gets returned, you still pay the full $29.30 in fees even though you refund the customer 100%.

Why did PayPal freeze my account?

PayPal freezes accounts most often after an unusually large deposit, a chargeback spike, a customer complaint through the resolution center, a login from an unusual location, or a mismatch between the business name on your PayPal account and your bank or EIN records. Sales in restricted categories like CBD or controlled substances will get you banned outright.

How long can PayPal hold my funds?

PayPal can hold funds for up to 180 days under their user agreement when a hold is fraud-related. Providing invoices, tracking numbers, and fulfillment proof to a resolutions specialist is the fastest way to shorten that window.

What is interchange plus pricing?

Interchange plus is a payment processing pricing model where you pay the card network’s wholesale interchange rate plus a small, disclosed markup on every transaction. It is the only pricing structure that shows exactly what the processor is charging you on top of the non-negotiable wholesale rate.

Is Stripe cheaper than PayPal for online stores?

Stripe’s standard rate of 2.9% + $0.30 matches PayPal’s card rate but is 0.59% cheaper than PayPal’s 3.49% wallet rate, so Stripe is cheaper for any store that would otherwise take a lot of PayPal-wallet payments. At higher volume, Stripe’s enterprise team will negotiate interchange plus, which is where the real savings live.

What is the cheapest way to accept credit card payments online?

The cheapest way to accept card payments online is an interchange plus merchant account through Braintree, Authorize.net, or a bank-backed processor like Elavon, with a fixed markup between 0.1% and 0.3% above wholesale. At $1M+ in annual volume, that setup typically comes in around 1.7% effective, versus 2.9%+ on flat-rate PayPal or Stripe pricing.

Is Braintree cheaper than PayPal?

Yes, Braintree is meaningfully cheaper than direct PayPal for the same PayPal-wallet acceptance because Braintree quotes interchange plus pricing while direct PayPal charges the flat 3.49% wallet rate. Braintree is owned by PayPal, so you can keep the PayPal button on checkout while cutting your effective rate.

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510: Starting An Online Store? Follow These 5 Rules To Find The Right Platform

510: Starting An Online Store? Follow These 5 Rules To Find The Right Platform

To choose the right ecommerce platform for your online store, use the same five-rule framework I use with the students in my Create A Profitable Online Store course: (1) only pick a cart backed by a well-funded, well-known company (or a widely-supported open source project), (2) require deep third-party developer support, (3) demand the platform be easy to maintain, (4) size the true monthly cost including apps, and (5) confirm the built-in blogging platform is good enough to rank in Google. Apply those five filters and your realistic short list collapses to Shopify, BigCommerce, WooCommerce, and Shift4Shop, with the right pick depending on your budget, technical comfort, and how much of your traffic will come from content.

In this solo episode of the My Wife Quit Her Job podcast I answer the single most-asked question I get, which is which ecommerce platform should you use to start an online store. I walk through why I still run my own store on the obsolete OS Commerce cart 17 years after launching Bumblebee Linens, and the exact conditions where I would pick Shopify vs. BigCommerce vs. WooCommerce vs. Shift4Shop.

Below you will find the five rules explained one at a time, a side-by-side comparison of the four platforms I actually recommend, and answers to the questions I get most often about switching, pricing, and SEO.

Key takeaways

  • The five rules that matter: backer strength, third-party developer support, ease of maintenance, true monthly cost, and blog/SEO quality.
  • Never build on a cart run by a two-person startup. If the developers walk away, you inherit an unsupported codebase, which is exactly what happened to me on OS Commerce.
  • Applying the five rules leaves you with Shopify, BigCommerce, WooCommerce, and Shift4Shop. Everything else is a compromise on at least one rule.
  • Shopify wins on developer ecosystem, loses on true monthly cost. The average Shopify store runs seven paid apps, and my course students average around $200/month in Shopify app spend.
  • BigCommerce is the best “get most of what you need out of the box” pick and pairs cleanly with WordPress for SEO through their WordPress plugin.
  • WooCommerce is the cheapest and most flexible, but you own the server and every plugin upgrade is your problem.
  • Shift4Shop is 100% free once you process $500/month in orders, which makes it the strongest budget alternative to WooCommerce.

Why choosing the right ecommerce platform matters (my $16-hour cautionary tale)

Picking the wrong ecommerce platform locks you into years of pain because migrating a live store to a new cart is one of the hardest technical projects in ecommerce. I know because I have been running my store, Bumblebee Linens, on OS Commerce since 2007, back before Shopify, BigCommerce, Shift4Shop, WooCommerce, or even Amazon Marketplace existed the way they do today.

OS Commerce was the best open source cart of that era and cost me $7 a month to host. It made my family millions of dollars over the years. Then the core developers walked away from the project and it went dead in the water.

By that point I had written so much custom code that migrating to Shopify or BigCommerce would have cost more than maintaining OS Commerce myself. Last month I spent 16 hours of my own time doing a full upgrade to keep it patched. That is the cost of picking a cart that outlives its maintainers.

The 5 rules for choosing an ecommerce platform

Here is the 5-rule framework I use to filter down every ecommerce platform on the market: verify the backer, verify the developer ecosystem, verify it is easy to maintain, verify the true monthly cost, and verify the SEO story. Applied in order, they eliminate 90% of the carts on the market before you have to compare features.

Do not skip a rule to save a decision. Every store I have watched fail on platform choice failed because they weighted price or design ahead of long-term supportability.

Rule 1: Pick a cart backed by a large, well-funded company

Only pick an ecommerce platform run by a well-known, well-funded company with a real war chest of cash, or a popular open source project with thousands of active contributors, because if your platform goes bankrupt or gets abandoned you inherit an unmaintained store overnight. This one rule alone eliminates most of the “cheap” carts people email me about every week.

If a subscriber emails me asking about some free cart I have never heard of, I visit the vendor’s site and almost every time it is a two-person side project. That is a nonstarter. If the founders lose interest or their day jobs get busy, your store dies with the codebase.

A public company is safest because if they go bankrupt someone will buy them and keep the lights on long enough for you to migrate. The open source exception applies when the project has genuine breadth, like WooCommerce or Magento, where thousands of independent developers maintain forks and patches.

Ecommerce carts that pass Rule 1

  • Shopify (public company)
  • BigCommerce (public company)
  • Shift4Shop (backed by Shift4 Payments, public company)
  • Square Online (public company)
  • Wix (public company)
  • Ecwid (owned by Lightspeed, public company)
  • Squarespace (public company)
  • WooCommerce (owned by Automattic, large open source community)
  • Magento / Adobe Commerce (owned by Adobe)

Rule 2: The platform must have deep third-party developer support

Your ecommerce platform must have a large third-party developer ecosystem, because the moment you need a feature the core cart does not offer, you are going to need a plugin, and plugins only get built for the platforms developers can make money on. The two carts with the deepest developer bench today are Shopify and WooCommerce.

Two years from now the norm is going to be an AI shopping assistant embedded in every store. If your platform is not big enough for someone to build that plugin, you will be stuck buying an off-the-shelf widget or waiting on the vendor.

If you look at overall US market share among all shopping carts, Shopify leads, followed by WooCommerce, Wix, Squarespace, and Ecwid. If you filter to the top one million websites in the world by traffic, the picture shifts to WooCommerce and Shopify dominating, with Magento and BigCommerce in the running.

Wix, Square, Squarespace, GoDaddy, and Big Cartel all have large parent companies but do not have meaningful third-party developer ecosystems. The most well-supported ecommerce carts are Shopify, WooCommerce, BigCommerce, and Magento.

Rule 3: The platform has to be easy to maintain

The right ecommerce platform for most non-technical founders is a fully-managed SaaS cart like Shopify or BigCommerce, where the vendor handles servers, security patches, and core software upgrades. Self-hosted platforms like WooCommerce and Magento are more flexible and cheaper, but you are on the hook for the server, the patches, and every broken plugin.

WooCommerce is free but you still pay for hosting, and you still have to lock down your own server against hackers. WordPress and WooCommerce do have a push-button upgrade flow, but bad things happen. A couple of weeks ago I upgraded my Bumblebee Linens WordPress blog and a bunch of plugins broke and I had to hand-debug what went wrong.

The upside of owning the source code is total flexibility. On my store I let customers see a mockup of the finished personalized product before checkout, and no plugin does that. WooCommerce let me write it myself.

If you have zero interest in maintaining a server or debugging plugin conflicts, this rule alone narrows your list to Shopify or BigCommerce.

Rule 4: The platform has to be reasonably priced (true monthly cost)

The true monthly cost of an ecommerce platform is base subscription + required apps + payment processing markup, and Shopify’s true monthly cost is much higher than its $30 sticker because the core cart is deliberately thin on features and nearly every store ends up paying for seven or more apps. The typical Shopify user in my Create A Profitable Online Store course spends around $200 a month on Shopify apps alone.

BigCommerce ships with most of what you actually need out of the box, so you do not get nickel-and-dimed the same way. Shift4Shop is a genuine outlier because the shopping cart is roughly as powerful as BigCommerce and Shopify, and it is 100% free as long as you process at least $500 a month in orders through their payment processor.

WooCommerce is 100% free to run, WordPress has thousands of free plugins for it, and your only fixed cost is hosting. If price is your primary constraint, WooCommerce, Shift4Shop, and BigCommerce are the three carts you should short-list.

Ecommerce platform true monthly cost comparison

PlatformBase planTypical add-on costRealistic monthly total
Shopify$39 (Basic)~$200 in apps (per my course avg)~$240+
BigCommerce$39 (Standard)Minimal, most features in-platform~$40-$60
WooCommerce$0 software$25-$100 hosting, mostly free plugins~$25-$100
Shift4Shop$0 (with $500+/mo processing)None required$0 (payment processing only)

Rule 5: The platform must have a good blogging platform for SEO

If organic search traffic is going to be a meaningful channel for your store, pick a platform with a genuinely capable, WordPress-grade blog engine. Shopify’s built-in blog is not that. It is limited in features and has a suboptimal URL structure that hurts ranking.

WooCommerce has the best built-in blog by a wide margin because it is literally WordPress. BigCommerce is the smart middle ground because their WordPress plugin lets you run your store on BigCommerce and your blog on WordPress under the same subdomain, so you get store-quality checkout plus WordPress-grade SEO.

If SEO is a top-three channel in your business plan, this rule alone collapses your list to WooCommerce or BigCommerce paired with WordPress.

Which ecommerce platform is best for me? (my picks by use case)

Below is how I actually match the four short-listed platforms to real founder situations. Every recommendation assumes you have already passed the first two rules (real backer, real developer support).

Your situationBest platformWhy
Budget is not a constraint and you want the largest app ecosystemShopifyBest third-party developer ecosystem in ecommerce. You will pay for it in apps, but every new feature ships on Shopify first.
You want a solid, feature-complete cart without paying for appsBigCommerceMost of what Shopify charges you for is included. Pairs with WordPress for SEO through the official plugin.
You want maximum flexibility and are (or can hire) technically comfortableWooCommerceOwn the source code. Cheapest to run. Best built-in blog. You are on the hook for the server.
You want a strict $0 budget and process $500+/monthShift4Shop100% free with the required processing volume, and roughly as capable as BigCommerce.
Content and SEO are core to your growth planBigCommerce + WordPress, or WooCommerceBoth give you a WordPress-grade blog engine, which Shopify does not offer.

How hard is it to switch ecommerce platforms later?

Migrating an established store to a new ecommerce platform is painful, expensive, and disruptive to search rankings, which is why platform choice matters much more than most first-time founders realize. Product data and customer records port cleanly. Custom functionality, URL structures, and search rankings do not.

Every custom feature you build on top of your platform is technical debt that has to be reimplemented on the new cart. Every URL that changes during migration is a redirect you have to set up correctly or you lose the SEO equity that URL had accumulated. Every checkout flow that changes is a conversion risk.

Get the choice right the first time and you can grow on the same platform for a decade. Get it wrong and you either eat a painful migration or, like me, get stuck maintaining a cart that has outlived its maintainers.

Frequently asked questions

What is the best ecommerce platform for beginners?

For most non-technical beginners, BigCommerce is the best pick because it includes most of the features you need out of the box, does not require you to maintain a server, and pairs with WordPress for content marketing through an official plugin. Shopify is a very close second and wins on app ecosystem, but the true monthly cost climbs faster.

Is Shopify or WooCommerce better for a new online store?

Shopify is better if you want zero server maintenance and the deepest app ecosystem, and you are comfortable spending around $200 a month on plugins on top of the base plan. WooCommerce is better if you want full flexibility, own your source code, need a serious blog engine for SEO, and are comfortable maintaining your own hosting.

How much does it really cost to run a Shopify store?

The typical Shopify store in my Create A Profitable Online Store course spends around $200 a month on Shopify apps on top of the base plan, because Shopify ships intentionally lean and charges for common features like advanced shipping rules, subscriptions, and reviews. Budget $240 to $300 per month all-in for a starter Shopify store, plus payment processing fees.

Is Shift4Shop really free?

Shift4Shop is 100% free as long as you process at least $500 a month in orders through Shift4 Payments, their in-house payment processor. Below that threshold, you either pay a monthly fee or accept payment processing charges as your only cost.

Which ecommerce platform is best for SEO?

WooCommerce is the strongest ecommerce platform for SEO because it runs on WordPress, which has the deepest blogging feature set and cleanest URL control. BigCommerce paired with the WordPress plugin is the strongest hosted alternative because you get BigCommerce checkout plus a full WordPress blog under the same domain.

Should I ever pick Wix, Square Online, or Squarespace for an ecommerce store?

Wix, Square Online, and Squarespace all pass Rule 1 on backer strength but fail Rule 2 on developer support, because independent developers do not build many meaningful ecommerce plugins for these platforms. They can work for very simple, small-catalog stores, but they will constrain you as you grow.

What happens if my ecommerce platform shuts down?

If your ecommerce platform shuts down, you either have to migrate every product, customer, and URL to a new cart, or maintain the software yourself, which is why Rule 1 matters. This is exactly what happened to me on OS Commerce, and 17 years later I am still doing occasional 16-hour maintenance upgrades because migrating was worse than staying.

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509: Temu And Shein Decimated His Business. Now What? With Jerry Kozak

509: Temu And Shein Decimated His Business.  Now What? With Jerry Kozak

Temu and Shein are decimating US ecommerce sellers because they ship direct from Chinese factories to US consumers under the $800 “de minimis” import loophole, which means the same $20 t-shirt an American seller has to price to cover cotton, printing, labor, tariffs, and Amazon fees can be sold on Temu for $6 with no duties, no customs inspection, and no meaningful IP enforcement. Ann Arbor Tees founder Jerry Kozak has watched his eight-figure printing company’s apparel category fall 30% in 2022 and another 30% in 2023 as a direct result, and in this episode he lays out why the current legal setup is a one-way trade agreement no one voted for.

Jerry Kozak founded Ann Arbor Tees in 2008 out of his college apartment and grew it into a full-service print and embroidery operation doing eight figures a year, with roughly 70% of top-line revenue running through Amazon FBA. In this episode of the My Wife Quit Her Job podcast we dig into why the entire apparel category on Amazon is down 30% year over year, what Temu and Shein are actually doing differently from Wish, and the strategic moves Jerry is making to fight back through brand, direct-to-consumer, and political action.

Below you will find the core mechanics of why Temu and Shein have a structural cost advantage, the specific numbers from Jerry’s business, and a practical playbook for US ecommerce sellers on how to compete.

Key takeaways

  • Ann Arbor Tees is down roughly 50% from its 2020 peak (2M units) to 2018 levels (~1M units), driven mostly by Temu and Shein taking share in apparel.
  • An Amazon insider told Jerry the Amazon t-shirt category is down 30% year over year, with 99% confidence that Amazon’s own numbers are included in the decline.
  • Temu can sell the same shirt Jerry sells for $20 on Amazon at $6 delivered. That is below the cost of a blank shirt shipped USPS across the street in the US.
  • The $800 de minimis loophole lets roughly 2 million packages a day enter the US uninspected from China, with no duty collection and no customs enforcement of intellectual property or forced-labor rules.
  • A Bloomberg-commissioned isotope study found nine Shein cotton samples traced to Xinjiang, the region under US sanctions for forced Uighur labor. Under $800 packages are almost never inspected, so the sanctions do not bite in practice.
  • According to Wired, Temu is reportedly losing about $30 per package shipped, extrapolating to roughly a billion dollars a year in subsidy. Grizzly Reports flagged the Temu app for aggressive on-device data collection.
  • Two bills are moving in Congress (led by Senator Cassidy in the Senate and Rep. Neal Dunn in the House) to close the de minimis loophole for non-market economies. A bipartisan letter from 12 senators asked the Biden administration to act.
  • Jerry’s plan: build brand and direct-to-consumer to insulate on the micro, and lobby your congressional reps on the macro. Do not fight Temu on price.

Who is Jerry Kozak of Ann Arbor Tees?

Jerry Kozak is the co-founder and CEO of Ann Arbor Tees, an eight-figure print-on-demand and embroidery company based in Ann Arbor, Michigan, that services universities, artists, corporate uniform accounts, and Amazon FBA at scale. He started the business in 2008 out of his college dorm with a $15,000 loan (at ~18% interest) from local professors he had landscaped for during college.

The company grew from an illegal apartment print shop to a 40,000-square-foot warehouse, added a manual screen press, then an automatic press, then embroidery, then giant car-length automatic presses. At their 2020 peak they shipped 2 million units. In 2023 they were back to 2018 volumes.

Today about 70% of top-line revenue comes through ecommerce, and the majority of that is Amazon FBA on fixed apparel designs, with the remainder in custom brick-and-mortar work for universities, local businesses, and corporate uniforms. They were also, briefly, the biggest t-shirt printer for NATO in Afghanistan before the drawdown.

How much have Temu and Shein hurt US apparel sellers?

The US t-shirt category on Amazon is down roughly 30% year over year, and Ann Arbor Tees is down about 50% from its 2020 peak, and Jerry attributes almost all of it to Temu and Shein pulling US apparel demand off Amazon and onto direct-from-China marketplaces. An Amazonian sourced by Jerry said they were 99% sure the 30% category decline includes Amazon’s own retail apparel numbers.

Jerry’s own top-line trajectory tells the story cleanly. 2020 was the pandemic peak at 2 million units. 2021 dropped as expected. 2022 dropped another 30%. 2023 dropped another 30%, putting them back at 2018 volumes.

The obvious macro story (gas at $5 a gallon, groceries eating a mortgage payment) does not fit the data. T-shirts historically sell better in a recession because they are an “affordable luxury.” Jerry called around to peers in the Ecommerce Fuel forum and no one else in adjacent categories was seeing 30% two years in a row.

Why can Temu and Shein sell so cheap? The $800 de minimis loophole explained

Temu and Shein can sell so cheap because US law waives all import duties, tariffs, and customs inspection on packages worth less than $800 declared value, and roughly 2 million such packages enter the US every day, predominantly from Temu and Shein shipments out of China. That is the “de minimis” loophole, and it is the single largest structural cost advantage Chinese direct-to-consumer sellers have over US ecommerce sellers.

Historically the de minimis rule was written for returning travelers bringing home souvenirs. In practice today it is a de facto one-way free trade agreement that Congress never voted on, because the packages never touch normal customs enforcement.

Why the de minimis loophole matters for US sellers

  • No duty collected. Apparel tariffs are typically 15-25%. Under de minimis, that revenue is not collected on Temu or Shein shipments.
  • No customs inspection. Forced-labor cotton (Xinjiang), counterfeit goods, and unsafe products enter uninspected because CBP does not test sub-$800 parcels at scale.
  • No IP enforcement. Search “Rolex” on Temu and near-clones under alternate brand names (like “Oleg”) show up immediately. Enforcement requires inspection.
  • No level playing field on regulations. US sellers must comply with CPSC, FTC, prop 65, and hundreds of category-specific rules. Direct-ship parcels do not get checked.
  • US is a global outlier. Most countries set de minimis at $500 or lower. China’s own de minimis is about $7. The US is one of only a handful of countries above $500.

Temu vs Shein vs Wish: what is actually different this time

Temu and Shein are not “just Wish 2.0” because Wish never got mainstream American shoppers comfortable with buying direct from Chinese factories, and Temu and Shein together now do roughly a third of Amazon’s daily traffic with 100 million-plus US downloads apiece. The behavioral change is the important part, not the specific apps.

PlatformPositioningTractionStructural advantage
SheinFast fashion direct from Chinese factories, women-heavyMost-downloaded shopping app in the US in 2022De minimis exemption, direct-from-factory pricing, deep social media strategy
TemuCross-category Chinese marketplace, “shop like a billionaire”~100M US downloads, ~$1B in June 2023 GMV, roughly one-third of Amazon daily traffic combined with SheinDe minimis, aggressive influencer subsidies, reportedly losing ~$30/package to buy share
WishOriginal direct-from-China marketplacePeaked around 2020, collapsed in relevanceSame de minimis mechanics but weak social/marketing engine

Shein proved the model. Temu blew past it with a Super Bowl ad, aggressive referral bounties, and creator payouts. Jerry says he personally gets Temu outreach almost every day offering top dollar for a one-minute TikTok, and the referral program is unusually generous even by influencer-marketing standards.

The Temu price problem: a $20 shirt vs a $6 shirt

Jerry’s top-selling shirt on Amazon retails for $20 to $22, and the same design listed on Temu goes for $6, which is less than the wholesale cost of a blank shirt plus USPS shipping across town. The pricing is not something a US apparel seller can respond to on the merits.

There is no lever in a US supply chain that closes a $14 gap on a $20 shirt. Cotton, blanks, printing, labor, warehousing, Amazon fees, and returns each cost real money. The Wired reporting that Temu is losing about $30 per package extrapolates to roughly a billion dollars a year in subsidy, which suggests the goal is either market share or data harvesting, not near-term profitability.

Do not try to compete on price. Compete on brand, direct relationships, service, and the parts of the customer experience Temu structurally cannot deliver.

Is Temu safe? Data collection and forced-labor concerns

Temu’s Android app was flagged by short-seller Grizzly Reports and referenced by Wired as the most egregious mainstream shopping-app spyware they have analyzed, with the reported ability to compile its own code on device after installation. Bloomberg commissioned isotope testing on nine cotton samples pulled from Shein orders and found the cotton traced to Xinjiang, the region under US sanctions for forced Uighur labor.

Both stories rely on reputable outside experts and neither has been meaningfully rebutted in the trade press. The mechanics matter less than the pattern. Under the current enforcement setup, US customs does not inspect the parcels that would surface either problem.

For US shoppers this is a personal decision. For US sellers this is a competitive one. It is very hard to argue “buy American-made because our cotton is not from a forced-labor region” when nothing at the border enforces the sanctions regardless.

What US ecommerce sellers should do about Temu and Shein

The right response is a two-track plan: on the micro, invest in brand, direct-to-consumer channels, and service quality that Temu structurally cannot copy, and on the macro, contact your congressional representatives to support closing the de minimis loophole for non-market economies. Jerry describes the brand track as your “micro-moat” and political action as the “macro-moat.”

Step 1: Build a real brand, not a commodity SKU

Temu and Shein win on interchangeable commodity SKUs, and they cannot easily copy a brand people already trust, subscribe to, or feel a story about. If you sell plain white t-shirts, you are exposed. If you sell True Classic Tees with a $100M brand behind it, you are not.

Step 2: Move traffic and repeat business off Amazon and onto direct-to-consumer

Jerry admits Ann Arbor Tees never invested in its own site because Amazon was easy, and he is now working backwards to build that channel out. Direct-to-consumer gives you customer email, purchase history, and pricing power Amazon and Temu both take from you. Own the relationship.

Step 3: Compete on the parts of the experience Temu cannot deliver

Fast shipping, easy returns, in-person or phone customer service, and trust are the four experience gaps Temu cannot close under a 10-15-day cross-Pacific model. Lean on speed, service, and returns hard. A percentage of shoppers will pay a premium for it.

Step 4: Diversify beyond a single platform

70% of Ann Arbor Tees revenue running through Amazon left them structurally exposed when Amazon apparel demand fell 30%. The generic ecommerce rule (“do not put all your eggs in one basket”) is hard to follow when you are growing 4-5x a year on one channel, but it matters at inflection points like this one.

Step 5: Contact your congressional representatives on de minimis

Two bills are moving to close the de minimis loophole for non-market economies (which would primarily affect China, Russia, and potentially Vietnam). A bipartisan letter from 12 senators pushed the Biden administration on it in mid-2023. A phone call or email to your congressional office is one of the highest-leverage low-effort things a US ecommerce owner can do this year.

What happens if the de minimis loophole gets closed?

If Congress closes the de minimis loophole for non-market economies, apparel imports from Temu and Shein would face roughly 15-25% duties, packages would slow at the border, and Temu and Shein would have to open US warehouses, import in bulk, pay duties, and follow US laws the same way domestic sellers do. That closes most of the pricing gap.

Jerry is careful to say he is not an isolationist. Chinese factories that want to sell into the US would still be welcome. They would just have to play by the same import, tariff, and IP rules everyone else follows.

Even without legislation, the underlying behavior change (US shoppers becoming comfortable ordering direct from Chinese factories) is durable. Sellers should build brand and direct-to-consumer regardless of what happens in Washington.

Frequently asked questions

What is Temu and how does it work?

Temu is a Chinese-owned marketplace (parent company PDD Holdings, formerly Pinduoduo) that ships goods direct from Chinese factories to US consumers, typically in 10-15 days, using the US de minimis import exemption to avoid tariffs and customs inspection on packages worth under $800. Prices are dramatically lower than Amazon on comparable items because Temu bypasses import duties, US warehousing, and (per Wired) reportedly subsidizes shipping by around $30 per package.

What is Shein and how is it different from Temu?

Shein is a Chinese direct-to-consumer fast-fashion marketplace focused mostly on apparel and accessories, especially for women, and was the most-downloaded shopping app in the US in 2022. Shein and Temu use the same de minimis import mechanics, but Shein is narrower on category (fast fashion) while Temu is a broad cross-category marketplace.

What is the $800 de minimis loophole?

The de minimis rule is a US law that lets any package worth $800 or less enter the country without duties, tariffs, or normal customs inspection. Roughly 2 million such packages enter the US every day, predominantly from China, and Temu and Shein are the two largest users of the exemption at scale.

Why are US apparel sales down so much in 2023?

US apparel sales, especially on Amazon, are down roughly 30% year over year because Temu and Shein together are pulling meaningful demand off Amazon and onto direct-from-China channels, and the underlying pricing gap (a $6 Temu shirt vs. a $20 Amazon shirt) is structural, driven by the de minimis exemption. Peer businesses in adjacent categories are not seeing declines anywhere close to 30%.

Is Temu selling counterfeit or unsafe products?

Temu hosts many near-clone products (search Rolex and you will get “Oleg” watches with the Rolex crown), and enforcement of intellectual property, product-safety, and forced-labor rules is very limited because sub-$800 packages are almost never inspected by US Customs and Border Protection. A Bloomberg-commissioned study also traced cotton in Shein garments to Xinjiang, a region under US sanctions.

Is the Temu app safe to install on my phone?

Short-seller firm Grizzly Reports and outlets like Wired have flagged the Temu app for unusually aggressive on-device data collection compared to other mainstream shopping apps, including reports that the app can compile its own code on device after installation. Whether that is disqualifying is a personal call, but the reporting is meaningfully worse than the industry norm.

How can US ecommerce sellers compete with Temu and Shein?

Do not compete with Temu and Shein on price. Compete on brand strength, direct-to-consumer relationships, shipping speed, returns, and service quality (the parts of the experience Temu structurally cannot deliver under a 10-15-day cross-Pacific ship model). At the policy level, contact your congressional representatives to support closing the de minimis loophole for non-market economies.

Will Congress close the de minimis loophole?

Two active bills (one in the Senate, one in the House) target closing the de minimis loophole for non-market economies, and a bipartisan letter from 12 senators asked the Biden administration to act on behalf of the US apparel industry. Timing is uncertain, but political attention is meaningfully higher than at any prior point in the last decade.

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508: Amazon Fees Are On The Rise! 5 Tips On How To Slash Your Costs With Yoni Mazor

508: Amazon Fees Are On The Rise! 5 Tips On How To Slash Your Costs With Yoni Mazor

You can effectively eliminate Amazon FBA fees on your first million dollars in sales by stacking five specific programs and audits: (1) the New Seller Incentive that returns 5% of your first $1M in revenue, (2) the Brand Referral Bonus program that returns 10% on all external traffic you drive to Amazon, (3) reducing your product weight and dimensions to move down a fulfillment tier, (4) running an FBA reimbursement audit that recovers 1-3% of annual revenue in miscounted shipments and misweighed products, and (5) auditing your listing weight-and-dimension data to stop overcharges before they happen. Yoni Mazor of Getida walked me through all five, plus the exact steps to run each audit yourself.

Yoni Mazor is the founder of Getida, an FBA reimbursement platform that has recovered discrepancies for sellers doing anywhere from a few hundred dollars a month up to over $1B a year on Amazon FBA. He is at nearly every major Amazon event, so he has a real pulse on what is working right now. In this episode of the My Wife Quit Her Job podcast we cover the Amazon fee hikes and Small and Light program shutdown, the specific new-seller and brand-referral incentives that offset them, and step-by-step how to audit your own account for missing inventory and weight-based overcharges.

Below you will find the five tactics laid out with real numbers, a comparison of what each one is worth on a $1M store, and a step-by-step guide to running your first FBA reimbursement claim in Seller Central.

Key takeaways

  • Roughly 50% of all Amazon global sales come from China-based sellers, and their AI-assisted listings are consistently outperforming US sellers on image quality, bundling, and value perception.
  • The Amazon New Seller Incentive returns 5% of your first $1M in sales as a bonus if you have Brand Registry, which effectively cuts a 15% referral fee down to 10%.
  • The Brand Referral Bonus program pays back 10% (uncapped) on external traffic you drive to your Amazon listing through influencers, TikTok, YouTube, Instagram, or email.
  • Stacked, those two programs return $150,000 on your first $1M, which effectively wipes out Amazon selling fees on your first year of sales.
  • Brand Registry is now table stakes. Selling without it exposes you to hijackers and image-swap attacks, and locks you out of the two incentive programs above.
  • FBA reimbursement discrepancies typically run 1-3% of annual revenue. On a $1M store that is $10,000 to $30,000 in recoverable money most sellers never claim.
  • Weight-and-dimension errors on your listing (real, accidental, or from a competitor attack) can silently overcharge you thousands per year on FBA fulfillment.
  • Getida charges 25% of what they recover (20% above $10M/year revenue), and there is a $400 free reimbursement offer for My Wife Quit Her Job listeners at mywifequitherjob.com/getida.

Who is Yoni Mazor of Getida?

Yoni Mazor is the co-founder of Getida, a technology platform that audits Amazon seller accounts for FBA reimbursement discrepancies (lost inventory, damaged units, misweighed products, fulfillment overcharges) and files the recovery claims on the seller’s behalf. Getida works on performance only. They charge 25% of what they recover and $0 otherwise.

Yoni is a fixture at essentially every major Amazon conference in the world, from AMZ Innovate to the Sellers Summit, which gives him an unusually broad view into what tactics are actually moving the needle across thousands of FBA sellers right now.

Why Amazon fees are rising and what changed in 2023

Amazon raised FBA fulfillment fees again in 2023 and eliminated the Small and Light program, which had provided cheaper fulfillment for lightweight, low-priced items under specific weight and dimension limits. The net effect is that sellers of small, cheap trinkets got hit hardest, and margins across most categories tightened by several percentage points overnight.

Yoni’s take from talking to sellers at every major event is that most are handling it by raising prices while also optimizing their listings to project more value at the higher price point. The listings work matters as much as the pricing work. A product at a higher price with a better image stack often converts better than the old price with the old images.

The counter for small-item sellers is to attack the weight-and-dimension math directly. Shrinking your packaging even slightly can drop you into a lower FBA tier and offset the hike.

The 5-step framework to slash Amazon FBA fees

Below is the exact five-step framework Yoni walked through on the episode: two incentive programs to stack on new revenue, one packaging optimization, and two audit workflows to reclaim money Amazon already owes you. Applied in order, they compound.

TacticEstimated value on $1M in salesRequires
1. New Seller Incentive (5%)~$50,000New account + Brand Registry
2. Brand Referral Bonus (10% uncapped)Up to $100,000Brand Registry + external traffic
3. Weight/dimension optimizationVariable (drops fulfillment tier)Physical repackaging or SKU redesign
4. FBA reimbursement audit$10,000-$30,000 (1-3% of revenue)Seller Central access, 18-month history
5. Fulfillment-fee audit (weight/dimension corrections)Prevents 4-figure overchargesTape measure, scale, one Seller Central case

Step 1: Get Brand Registry and claim the 5% New Seller Incentive

Amazon’s New Seller Incentive returns 5% of your first $1M in revenue as a bonus when you have Brand Registry on your account, which is a $50,000 credit on that first million and effectively cuts the standard 15% referral fee down to 10% net. It is available for new accounts in the US, UK, Germany, France, Italy, and Spain, with no time expiration on the bonus (so speed matters if you want to hit the full million).

The categories that most benefit are the ones with the highest referral fees. Standard 15% categories drop to 10% net, electronics at 8% drop to 3% net, and jewelry at 20% drops to 15% net.

Cross-marketplace sellers should pay attention. If you already sell in the UK or Europe and want to expand to the US, you get 5% back on the first $1M in the new market. Same in reverse.

To qualify you must have a real trademark and Brand Registry on the account. As Yoni put it, Brand Registry is now the “social security” of Amazon selling. Without it you are exposed to hijackers, image-swap attacks, and locked out of every meaningful Amazon seller program.

Step 2: Sign up for the Brand Referral Bonus program (10% back on external traffic)

The Brand Referral Bonus program pays Brand Registered sellers 10% back (with no cap) on any sales generated through a special Amazon Attribution link when you drive external traffic to your listing from influencers, TikTok, YouTube, Instagram, email, or your own site. On $1M in external-traffic-driven sales, that is $100,000 back on top of the 5% New Seller Incentive.

Setting it up takes minutes. In Seller Central, search “Brand Referral Bonus Program” and apply. You need Brand Registry to qualify, which is why Step 1 comes first.

Stacked with the New Seller Incentive, you are looking at 15% back on your first million dollars in external-traffic-driven sales, which functionally offsets the entire 15% Amazon referral fee. That is what Yoni means when he says you can “sell on Amazon for free” on that first million.

Do not just rely on Amazon’s internal search. Real leverage lives in owning some slice of consumer attention off-platform and directing it into Amazon at a 10% rebate. Yoni’s framing is worth repeating: attention is the most valuable resource in commerce today, and the sellers who can generate it independently of Amazon get paid to do so.

Step 3: Optimize weight and dimensions to drop a fulfillment tier

The single biggest lever inside FBA fulfillment fees is the packaging tier your product falls into, so shrinking a SKU’s dimensions by even a fraction of an inch can drop it into a smaller tier and permanently cut your per-unit fulfillment cost. With Small and Light gone, this optimization is now the only real way for cheap, lightweight sellers to defend margin.

Talk to your factory or sourcing agent about tightening the poly bag, using shrink wrap instead of loose plastic, or slimming the retail box. Run the exact revised dimensions through Amazon’s FBA revenue calculator before you commit.

Yoni’s warning: loose plastic wrap and unnecessary internal packaging can push you into a higher tier on Amazon’s Cubic Scan measurement. That is a permanent fee you pay on every future unit sold.

Step 4: Run an FBA reimbursement audit (recover 1-3% of annual revenue)

Getida’s data across thousands of accounts shows FBA reimbursement discrepancies typically run 1-3% of annual revenue on the average seller, and Amazon lets you go back up to 18 months to file claims on missing inventory, damaged units, and misweighed products. On a $1M store that is $10,000 to $30,000 in recoverable money that most sellers never claim.

How to file your first FBA shipment reimbursement claim

  1. Log into Seller Central and go to Inventory > Manage FBA Shipments.
  2. Scroll through the shipment log and open any shipment where the “Received” count is less than the “Shipped” count.
  3. Use the drop-down to select “I shipped these units, please investigate.”
  4. Provide the requested documents: supplier invoice, packing slip, and proof of delivery to the FBA warehouse.
  5. Amazon typically responds within 24 hours to 5 days. Approved reimbursements hit your account within that same window.

Yoni’s warning on shipment reimbursements: if Amazon reimburses you and later “finds” the inventory, they will reverse the credit. The only defense is a strong listing that sells the recovered inventory through fast.

The seven categories worth auditing are: shipment discrepancies, customer returns not returned to inventory, damaged inbound units, damaged in-warehouse units, lost inventory, weight-and-dimension overcharges (see Step 5), and inventory that was removed but never showed up.

Step 5: Audit your weight-and-dimension data to stop fulfillment overcharges

Amazon calculates FBA fulfillment fees off the weight and dimensions stored in your listing, and any incorrect data (a decimal-place typo, a competitor attack, or a Cubic Scan misread from a returned item) silently overcharges you on every future unit sold. The recovery window is 90 days on overcharges, so this one is time-sensitive.

How to audit your FBA weight and dimensions

  1. Pull the current fulfillment fee Amazon is charging you for the ASIN from the FBA revenue calculator.
  2. Note the weight and dimensions Amazon shows for the product.
  3. Measure the actual product with a tape measure and scale. Compare it to what Amazon has on file.
  4. If there is a discrepancy, open a Seller Central case, provide the correct measurements, and request a “bin check and re-measurement.”
  5. Once Amazon corrects the data, they stop overcharging going forward and refund up to 90 days of overcharges.

Two specific ways this happens that most sellers miss. First, returned items sometimes come back with add-on components (a handbag returned with the strap attached) and get re-scanned at inflated dimensions, breaking the ASIN math for every future unit. Second, a competitor can list your ASIN under their own Seller Central account and change the stored weight and dimensions themselves, silently jacking your fees while pocketing better margin on the same price.

How much can you actually save? A $1M FBA seller example

A $1M FBA seller who does all five steps typically doubles their net margin, going from roughly 20% ($200K) to 40%+ ($400K), because the fee recovery and incentive stack returns roughly $180K to $200K they would otherwise have paid to Amazon. Yoni’s math on the episode was $150K in stacked incentives plus $10-$30K in reimbursements plus permanent fulfillment savings from Step 5.

Line itemImpact on $1M store
New Seller Incentive (5%)+$50,000
Brand Referral Bonus (10% on external traffic)Up to +$100,000
FBA reimbursement audit (1-3%)+$10,000-$30,000
Weight/dimension fee correctionsVariable, often 4 figures per year
Estimated total recovery/incentive value~$160,000-$180,000

Yoni is careful to note this is an idealized scenario. It assumes you actually hit the full $1M, drive meaningful external traffic through the Brand Referral link, and have real discrepancies to recover.

The order of the stack matters. Get Brand Registry first or none of the incentive money is available to you.

Should new Amazon sellers still start selling on FBA in 2026?

Yes, launching a new Amazon FBA business is still a strong path in 2026 because the New Seller Incentive and Brand Referral Bonus programs (worth up to $150K on your first million) create a meaningful head start that established sellers cannot access. Combined with lower-cost private-label sourcing and AI-generated listings, the on-ramp is arguably better today than it was in the mid-2010s.

The competitive picture is harder. Roughly half of Amazon’s global sales now come from China-based sellers with tighter cost structures, better-optimized listings, and disciplined iteration, and AI has closed the language and design gap that used to protect US sellers.

Your competitive edge has to come from brand, direct-to-consumer, and better product selection instead of generic private label.

Frequently asked questions

How do I reduce my Amazon FBA fees in 2026?

You can cut your effective Amazon FBA fees close to zero on your first $1M in sales by combining the New Seller Incentive (5% back), the Brand Referral Bonus program (10% back on external traffic), packaging optimization to move down a fulfillment tier, an FBA reimbursement audit for missing inventory, and a weight-and-dimension audit to correct listing data that inflates your per-unit fulfillment fee. All five require Brand Registry to work as intended.

What is the Amazon New Seller Incentive and who qualifies?

The Amazon New Seller Incentive is a promotional program that returns 5% of your first $1M in revenue as a bonus for new accounts in the US, UK, Germany, France, Italy, and Spain, provided you have Brand Registry on the account. There is no time expiration on the bonus, so speed to hit the full million is the main constraint.

What is the Amazon Brand Referral Bonus program?

The Amazon Brand Referral Bonus program pays Brand Registered sellers 10% back (with no cap) on any sales generated through a special Amazon Attribution link when you drive external traffic to your listing from influencers, TikTok, YouTube, Instagram, email, or your own website. You apply through Seller Central by searching “Brand Referral Bonus Program.”

How do I file an FBA reimbursement claim myself?

To file an FBA shipment reimbursement claim, go to Inventory > Manage FBA Shipments in Seller Central, open any shipment where Received is less than Shipped, use the drop-down to select “I shipped these units, please investigate,” and upload your supplier invoice, packing slip, and proof of delivery. Amazon typically responds within 24 hours to 5 days.

How far back can I file FBA reimbursement claims?

Amazon lets sellers file reimbursement claims for issues going back up to 18 months from the current date, which is why running your first audit typically recovers a meaningful lump sum of historical discrepancies. Fulfillment-fee overcharges from incorrect weight and dimensions are a shorter 90-day window.

Why is Amazon overcharging me on FBA fulfillment fees?

Amazon calculates FBA fulfillment fees off the weight and dimensions stored on your listing, so any incorrect data (a decimal-place typo, a Cubic Scan misread from a returned item, or a competitor attack changing your ASIN’s stored dimensions) silently overcharges you on every unit sold. Correcting the data through a Seller Central case stops future overcharges and refunds up to 90 days.

Is Brand Registry required to sell on Amazon in 2026?

Brand Registry is not technically required to list on Amazon, but selling without it locks you out of the New Seller Incentive, the Brand Referral Bonus, IP enforcement tools, and A+ Content, and exposes you to listing hijackers and image-swap attacks. Yoni Mazor calls Brand Registry the “social security” of Amazon selling for that reason.

How much does Getida cost?

Getida charges 25% of the reimbursements they recover on your behalf, drops to 20% for sellers above $10M in annual revenue, and $0 if they do not recover anything. There is a My Wife Quit Her Job listener offer for the first $400 in reimbursements at mywifequitherjob.com/getida.

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507: Budget-Friendly Ecommerce Tips That Will Double Your Sales With Chris Shaffer

507: Ecommerce Growth Hacks And Where You Should Be Spending your Marketing Budget with Chris Shaffer

Ecommerce conversion rate optimization means editing the listing itself, not buying more traffic. My guest this episode, Chris Shaffer of Brand Creators, grew one client’s sales 247% in a single year without spending an extra dollar on ads, without launching new SKUs, and without touching keyword research. He did it by lifting the conversion rate on the listings he already had.

That is a hard shift for most sellers. Traffic feels controllable, so we throw money and keywords at it. Conversion rate is the number Amazon, Etsy, and Walmart actually rank you on, and it is the number almost nobody touches first.

Here is Chris’s full playbook, including the exact benchmarks he uses per platform, the three listing elements that move the needle, and the buyer-survey data behind it.

Key takeaways

  • Chris grew a client’s ecommerce sales 247% in one year by fixing conversion rate, without adding traffic, launching products, or changing keyword strategy.
  • Target conversion rates: Amazon 10-15% (20%+ is excellent), Walmart in the middle, Etsy 5-8% (3% is the platform average).
  • Amazon calls conversion rate “unit session percentage.” Find it in your Business Reports, not anywhere labeled conversion rate.
  • Titles, product images, and product descriptions are the three levers that move conversion rate. Chris’s Etsy buyer survey rated images 9.23/10 for purchase influence and confirmed 68% of buyers always read the title.
  • Write feature-and-benefit copy, not spec-sheet copy. “Keeps drinks cold for 24 hours” converts. “17 oz double-wall vacuum insulation” does not.
  • 96.3% of Etsy buyers with 11+ purchases go to a seller’s storefront first before searching. Repeat customers are where ecommerce profit actually lives.
  • Negotiating payment processing rates saved Chris roughly 1% on total revenue in one afternoon of work. On seven-figure businesses that is tens of thousands per year.

Why ecommerce conversion rate optimization beats chasing traffic

Ecommerce conversion rate optimization outperforms traffic hunting because it hits the one signal Amazon, Etsy, and Walmart actually rank you on. The platforms are search engines built to show the product most likely to sell, not the product with the most keywords stuffed in. Higher conversion tells the algorithm you are the safe bet, which then earns you more organic traffic for free.

Chris framed the mistake this way in our conversation. Most sellers feel they can control traffic (better keyword tool, more ad spend), and feel they cannot control the listing itself. The reality is the reverse: you have very little control over keyword volume estimates, and total control over the words, photos, and descriptions on your page.

His clients that focused on conversion rate saw a 247% year-over-year sales lift with no additional ad spend, no new products, and no keyword overhauls. Traffic followed the conversion rate up.

How Amazon, Etsy, and Walmart actually decide who ranks

All three marketplaces run what Chris calls a two-stage algorithm. Stage one is a yes/no relevance check: do the keywords the buyer typed appear somewhere in your title, description, or backend keywords? If yes, you qualify.

Stage two is where you win or lose. Among all qualifying listings, the platform ranks by which listing is most likely to convert that specific search into a sale. Conversion rate, average sell-through, price competitiveness, and personalization signals all feed into that ranking.

Two listings with “red t-shirt” in the title both pass stage one. The one converting 9 out of 100 clicks beats the one converting 8 out of 100. That is the entire game.

What is a good conversion rate on Amazon, Etsy, and Walmart?

Good conversion rates vary by platform, but Chris shared the benchmarks he uses when auditing client accounts. Use these as your floor before you decide whether a listing needs work.

  • Amazon: 10-15% is solid. 20%+ is excellent. Chris has listings that consistently hit 20-25% and topped 30% last year.
  • Walmart: Sits between Amazon and Etsy. Fewer public benchmarks because the platform is newer for most sellers.
  • Etsy: Platform average is around 3%. 5-8% is above average. 8%+ is genuinely strong.

Amazon does not label the metric “conversion rate” anywhere in the seller dashboard. They call it unit session percentage and it lives in the Business Reports section. If your unit session percentage is well below the benchmarks above, that listing is where your optimization time should go.

Etsy actually labels it conversion rate in the Shop Manager stats. Walmart calls it out in the Search Insights report. In all three cases you can also just calculate it yourself: units sold divided by sessions.

Step 1: Audit whether you are getting the right traffic

Step 1 of ecommerce conversion rate optimization is checking whether the traffic you are getting is even relevant. Wrong-intent clicks drag your conversion rate down even when the listing itself is fine.

Pull your search-term report from Amazon Ads (or Etsy’s beta search analytics report, or Walmart’s Search Insights). Look at what keywords are actually driving impressions and clicks. Then ask one question of each: is that person really looking for my product?

Chris’s example: a 64-ounce stainless steel tumbler was showing for “coffee mug” because Amazon opens the funnel wide when you run ads. Someone typing “coffee mug” expects a small ceramic cup.

They click, see a giant metal tumbler, and bounce. Your conversion rate takes the hit.

Chris’s rule for cutting a bad keyword

If a keyword’s conversion rate is significantly below your listing average, cut it. Pull it out of your title, description, and backend search terms. Turn off the ad targeting it.

There is one exception. If that single “wrong” keyword drives 80% of your sales, do not touch it. Instead, rebuild the listing around what those buyers actually want.

That situation is rare.

The subtle version of this trap: words that mean different things in different markets. Chris pointed out that “thongs” in Australia means flip-flops.

If a US flip-flop seller is paying for “thongs” clicks that expect underwear, the conversion rate on that keyword will be terrible. Cut it.

Step 2: Fix your title so a human can read it

Step 2 is rewriting your title in plain English instead of keyword salad. Chris’s buyer survey found 68% of shoppers always read the title before clicking, and if the title reads like a robot wrote it, they scroll past.

The old-school SEO title (Insulated Water Bottle Water Bottle Tumbler Thermos 32oz Double Wall Vacuum Stainless Steel Wide Mouth) worked in 2015. In 2024 it hurts you three ways: humans do not click it, the platform does not need the repetition to understand plurals and synonyms, and even if it ranks, it converts worse because expectations are unclear.

Amazon, Etsy, and Walmart all handle plurals, misspellings, synonyms, and word order internally. Etsy documents this explicitly in their seller handbook. Amazon does not document it, but every large-scale test has confirmed the same behavior.

The one-sentence test for a good ecommerce title

Read your title out loud as a sentence. If it parses as English, you are 90% of the way to a good title. If it sounds like keyword-stuffing gibberish, rewrite it.

Etsy’s documentation adds one nuance: keywords near the beginning of the title carry slightly more weight than keywords near the end. Put your most important term first, then write the rest as a readable phrase.

You do not lose SEO by dropping repetition. You gain click-through rate and conversion rate, which are the signals that actually rank you.

Step 3: Rebuild your images to answer buyer questions

Step 3 is treating your product images as your primary answer to the question “what does buying online lose vs. shopping in a store?” In Chris’s Etsy buyer survey, images scored 9.23 out of 10 for purchase influence, higher than price, higher than shipping cost, higher than anything else.

The point of an ecommerce image is to let the buyer do the thing they would do in a physical store: pick it up, look inside, check the material, compare the size, hold it against their body. Your job is to answer all of those questions in a photograph.

If your listing has one hero shot and four staged lifestyle photos of models jogging, you are wasting seven of the ten slots Amazon gives you.

What to actually put in your product image slots

Chris’s checklist for image slots that move conversion rate:

  • Hero shot on white, showing the whole product clearly.
  • Size and scale: product next to something recognizable (a hand, a phone, a wine bottle). One popular water bottle went viral because it stated “fits a full bottle of wine” and showed the photo.
  • Material and construction: show the inside if the material matters. A plastic-averse buyer will look for the plastic liner. Show them there is not one.
  • Benefit demonstration: not “stain-proof fabric” as text, but a split-screen photo of red wine poured on the fabric and the same fabric coming out of the washing machine spotless.
  • Feature callouts with short labels: 24-hour cold retention, dishwasher-safe lid, leak-proof seal.
  • Comparison chart against your other SKUs so buyers pick the right size or version.
  • Lifestyle shot at the end, not the middle. Emotional payoff after you have earned the click.

Step 4: Rewrite product descriptions in benefits, not features

Step 4 is rewriting your bullet points and description so every feature has a benefit attached. This is the single most common mistake Chris sees when he audits a listing.

Feature-only copy reads like a spec sheet. “16 oz. Double-wall vacuum insulation. Powder-coated 18/8 stainless steel.”

That tells a metallurgist something. It tells a shopper nothing.

Benefit-attached copy translates the feature into the outcome the buyer cares about. “Keeps drinks cold for 24 hours or hot for 12, thanks to double-wall vacuum insulation.” Same feature, but now the buyer knows why it matters.

The fabric-weight test

Chris’s litmus test: can you, the seller, explain your own spec to a friend at dinner? “This shirt is 240 GSM cotton.” What does 240 GSM mean to someone who is not in textiles? Nothing.

“You can machine-wash this shirt 100 times and it will still feel like the first day you put it on.” That is the same information the buyer actually wanted.

Rewrite every bullet in your listing using this template: [Feature] so that [benefit the buyer feels]. If you cannot finish the sentence, the feature does not belong in the bullet.

How storefronts and repeat buyers change the math

Storefronts matter far more than most Amazon and Etsy sellers realize, because repeat buyers overwhelmingly start their next purchase there instead of at search. Chris’s survey found that among buyers with 11+ purchases in the last year, 96.3% start at a shop they have bought from before.

Here is the full ladder from Chris’s survey data:

  • Buyers with 1-5 lifetime purchases: 80.2% likely to return to a shop they have bought from.
  • Buyers with 6-10 purchases: 89% likely.
  • Buyers with 11+ purchases: 96.3% likely.

Two takeaways. First, if you sell one SKU and never build a storefront, you leave money on the table. Repeat buyers want to buy from you again, and they cannot if there is nothing else to buy.

Second, capture the customer even when Amazon owns the transaction. The Amazon buyer who becomes an off-Amazon subscriber on your own site is worth 10x the one-off. Which brings us to Buy with Prime.

Should you add Buy with Prime to your own website?

Chris is testing Buy with Prime on one of his brands specifically to see if it lifts the conversion rate on his own website. His reasoning: on your own site you pay the fulfillment fee but skip Amazon’s 15% referral fee, so it comes close to break-even on cost.

The old Pay with Amazon button barely moved the needle because Amazon shoppers shop on Amazon and website shoppers shop on the website. Buy with Prime is a different pitch: two-day shipping and Amazon’s return safety net on your store.

The one real risk is inventory cannibalization. If Buy with Prime pulls from the same Amazon FBA pool that fulfills your Amazon orders, a website surge can starve your Amazon listing. That is the reason to test before rolling it out across a portfolio.

How to negotiate down your payment processing fees

You can negotiate payment processing fees down to under 1% all-in if you have the volume, and it takes about an hour of work. Chris did this across two of three brands he consults with this year and cut roughly 1% off total revenue in fees, which on any decent ecommerce business is tens of thousands of dollars.

The move: get on interchange-plus pricing instead of a flat rate. Interchange-plus means you pay the actual card-network cost plus a small markup, instead of a blended flat like 2.9% + 30 cents. On volume, interchange-plus wins nearly every time.

Chris’s business moved to Wells Fargo for card processing (already had a business banking relationship, so setup was 30 minutes) and now pays under 1% blended. They also negotiated down failed-payment fees, which on a subscription business can add up to thousands per year on their own.

If you take a lot of PayPal, use Braintree

PayPal charges 3.49% + fixed fee on standard commercial transactions, and most sellers do not know this is negotiable. If PayPal is a meaningful share of your sales (Chris and I both estimate a third), the fee difference matters.

Braintree is owned by PayPal and lets you negotiate both credit card rates and PayPal rates in one contract. It also offers interchange-plus pricing. If you are on Stripe today and PayPal is a big chunk of revenue, Braintree is worth a serious look.

The three-line action item: pull your last three months of merchant statements, calculate your blended effective rate, and call your processor. If they will not budge, quote another processor’s offer and try again.

Frequently asked questions

What is a good conversion rate on Amazon?

A good Amazon conversion rate is 10-15%, and an excellent one is 20% or higher. Amazon labels this metric “unit session percentage” in the Business Reports section, not “conversion rate.” If yours is below 10%, focus on titles, images, and descriptions before adding more ad spend.

How do I find my conversion rate on Amazon?

Log into Seller Central, open Reports, then Business Reports, and look for “Unit Session Percentage” in the Detail Page Sales and Traffic report. That column is Amazon’s name for conversion rate. You can also calculate it manually as units ordered divided by sessions.

How does the Amazon search algorithm actually rank listings?

Amazon uses a two-stage algorithm. Stage one is a relevance check: do the buyer’s search terms appear somewhere in your listing? Stage two ranks the qualifying listings by which one is most likely to convert that specific query into a sale, using conversion rate, sales velocity, price, and personalization signals.

Does keyword order in a listing title matter on Etsy or Amazon?

Yes, but less than most sellers think. Etsy’s documentation confirms keywords near the beginning of the title are weighted slightly more, and Amazon appears to work similarly. Both platforms handle plurals, synonyms, and word rearrangement internally, so you do not need to repeat every variation.

How much do product images actually influence ecommerce conversion rate?

Chris Shaffer’s survey of a couple hundred Etsy buyers rated product images 9.23 out of 10 for purchase-decision influence, the highest of any listing element they tested. Images beat title, price, shipping cost, and reviews. Treat your image slots as the answer to every question a buyer would ask in a physical store.

Should I write product descriptions as features or benefits?

Write benefits first, then attach the supporting feature. “Keeps drinks cold for 24 hours” is a benefit. “Double-wall vacuum insulation” is the feature that produces it.

Buyers care about the outcome and use the feature as proof, not the other way around.

How do I negotiate lower credit card processing fees for my ecommerce store?

Ask your current processor to move you from flat-rate pricing to interchange-plus pricing, which passes through the actual card-network cost and adds a smaller markup. Get quotes from at least two competitors (Braintree if you take PayPal, Stripe or a bank-owned processor otherwise) and use them as leverage. On any six-figure or seven-figure business, an afternoon of negotiation is worth thousands per year.

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506: Insider Details About Our Recent Company Exit With Mike Jackness


Selling an ecommerce business almost never runs on the schedule the seller expects, and the ecommerce brand my guest Mike Jackness and I owned together is a case study in exactly how much can go sideways. We listed it in February 2022 expecting to close by that summer. We finally closed in June 2023, after two failed LOIs, a private-equity backout, an SBA lender getting acquired mid-close, and a buyer landing in the hospital with Lyme disease.

Mike is the founder of EcomCrew and has owned dozens of ecommerce brands over the last 20 years. In this episode he walks through what happened, why he then sold nearly all of his other brands and laid off his Philippines team, and the single “focus on one thing” lesson he now runs his life by.

Here is the full timeline, the mistakes worth learning from, and what Mike is doing next.

Key takeaways

  • Selling the ecommerce business took 15 months and three buyers: private equity backed out over interest rates, SBA buyer #2 got Lyme disease mid-close, SBA buyer #3 walked because the SKU count intimidated him. Buyer #4 closed in days because prior due diligence was reused.
  • Investors returned double-digit annualized returns during a period the S&P 500 returned about 2%, so the outcome was good despite the process.
  • Mike then sold every other ecommerce brand he owned except one (Ice Wraps) and laid off nearly his entire Philippines team.
  • The lesson: running one thing beats running seven. The second brand is not “twice as easy,” it is roughly five times harder, and attention gets fractionalized across a portfolio.
  • Real moats matter more than ever. Great photography and copy used to be a moat; AI has closed that gap for overseas sellers. IP, manufacturing, and defensible product categories are what still hold.
  • Consumable products with defensible IP (his old coloring-book brand, Color It) are the model he is trying to rebuild toward next.

Why selling an ecommerce business took 15 months and three failed deals

Selling an ecommerce business took 15 months in our case because macroeconomics, SBA lender consolidation, and pure bad luck stacked on top of each other in a way none of us could have predicted. The business itself was solid the entire time. It was the deal process that broke, three separate times.

We put the business up for sale in February 2022 through Andrew Youderian’s investor group at eCommerceFuel, expecting a summer 2022 close. Mike had been running it for about 14 months. The board decided we could sell it now for what we had hoped to get in year three, so we booked the win.

The first offer came from a strategic private equity buyer at above-market value. Due diligence took months (they hired four separate diligence firms because private-equity rules do not scale down for smaller deals). The buyer signed off on everything.

Then interest rates spiked, the stock market dropped 40%, and PE said they were freezing all new investments. Deal dead.

The Lyme disease deal that fell apart at the finish line

We put it back up for sale, got under LOI with an SBA buyer, and got all the way through underwriting. Then the SBA bank funding the loan got acquired the same week we were supposed to close. The loan was handed off to another bank, delaying close by a week or two.

The buyer, frustrated at the delay, went on a hike. He got bit by a tick. He got Lyme disease bad enough to end up in the hospital and could not close the deal.

That is not a metaphor for a bad deal, that is the literal reason it fell through.

We relisted in January 2023. Third buyer got under LOI, made it through due diligence, and then decided the business was “too complicated” (roughly 100 SKUs and light assembly). He walked.

The banker who saved the deal

The SBA banker had already done all the paperwork twice and refused to lose the file. He said he knew a buyer he had recently sold another business to who was looking for exactly this kind of deal, and the fourth buyer closed within weeks because we reused the previous buyer’s due diligence report.

We signed the closing paperwork at Seller Summit in May 2023 (Mike literally signed the DocuSign during my keynote about hitting the Wall Street Journal bestseller list). The deal officially closed June 2, 2023.

Net outcome: investors got double-digit annualized returns during a period the S&P 500 returned about 2%. On paper it was a success. On the ground it cost Mike 15 extra months of his life and derailed every other plan he had.

What Mike would do differently the second time selling an ecommerce business

The biggest thing Mike would do differently is never commingle operations between a business he owns solo and one he owns with investors. On paper the acquired business had its own team, its own contracts, its own cost accounting. In practice they all worked out of the same Philippines office and knew each other.

That created a soft failure mode: any HR decision Mike made in one business rippled into the other. Layoffs, benefit changes, or a bad manager conversation in Brand A would spread through the office and destabilize Brand B. Even though the entities were separate on paper, the humans were not.

Second thing he would change: do not commit to a “run it for one year, hand it to a new CEO in year two” plan when you have never run a hired-CEO transition before. He now believes it is very hard to find someone who will care about a business as much as the owner-operator.

Why he now believes reusing prior due diligence is the deal-closer

The reason deal four closed in days instead of months is that the fourth buyer accepted deal three’s due diligence report unchanged. It had been produced by a well-known ecommerce diligence firm within the last 90 days.

If you are selling and a deal falls through late, keep every diligence artifact. The next buyer will save months by inheriting it, and a smart broker or banker can push for that reuse. It is the single biggest lever we saw for compressing a deal timeline.

Why Mike sold every other brand and laid off his team

Mike sold every ecommerce brand except Ice Wraps and laid off nearly his entire Philippines team because he concluded, after 20 years and a five-brand portfolio, that focus beats diversification for entrepreneurs like him. The revenue was fine. The mental cost of running it was not.

His argument, drawn from The One Thing and Essentialism and from watching peers like Spencer Jan at Solo Stove: successful founders who compound to nine-figure exits almost always ran one thing at a time. The founders with 17 side projects and five brands tend to plateau in the seven figures across all of them.

His own portfolio proved the point. Any single brand, given his full attention, could have been dramatically bigger than the whole portfolio was together.

The “twice as easy” trap

The specific trap Mike wants ecommerce founders to avoid is the belief that the second brand will be easier because you have already done it once. His experience: the second brand is roughly five times harder, not half as hard.

The setup mechanics repeat and stop being novel. New LLC, new bank account, new insurance, new tax return, new Amazon seller account, new social accounts, new email list, new ad accounts. None of it feels exciting the second time, so you cut corners.

Meanwhile the founder’s finite attention gets split. One brand pulls ahead, one stays flat, and the bottom three get almost no time at all. The end state is a portfolio of underperforming brands instead of one strong one.

The moat conversation: why AI killed the “great listing” advantage

Mike’s ecommerce moat for a decade was writing better copy and shooting better photos than sellers in China, Pakistan, and India. That moat is now closing fast because AI tools have given every overseas seller the same capability at near-zero cost.

His mental model: he had built a moat, and now dump trucks are backfilling it every day. The only response is to find a different moat.

The moats that still hold in 2024 are the ones AI cannot replicate cheaply. Physical manufacturing capacity is one. Intellectual property is another (his old coloring book brand Color It had copyrightable artwork that was easy to defend).

Local final-assembly operations and consumable products with real repeat purchase round out the short list.

Why Color It was his best moat and what he wants to build next

Color It, Mike’s coloring-book brand, had four moats stacked: consumable product (buyers had to reorder), copyrightable IP (artwork that could not legally be knocked off), a proprietary manufacturing process, and a defensible category. He sold it because his cousin (a partner in the business) needed liquidity, and the business was cash-strapped from growing 2x per year.

In hindsight, Color It is the one he wishes he had kept. It is the closest thing to the business he wants to build next, though he is not ready to name the specific product category on a podcast yet.

The playbook he is rebuilding around: consumable, IP-defensible, ideally with a manufacturing or assembly component that overseas sellers cannot replicate from Alibaba.

What is next for Mike, and Ice Wraps as the SBA-ready exit

Mike’s plan for Ice Wraps is to run it clean and focused through 2024, generating a strong trailing 12-month P&L and a clean tax return, then list it in early 2025 for a mid-seven-figure SBA-qualified sale. That is a deliberate, boring, disciplined 15-month plan and it is a shift from how he used to operate.

He is intentionally not starting the next business yet, even though he has one in mind and wants to lease the building and buy the machinery tomorrow. The discipline is the point. He wants to feel what it is like to run one thing at a time before he adds the next.

The de-stress since selling the other brands and letting the team go, he estimates, is roughly half from having one brand instead of five, and half from no longer carrying the weight of investor and employee expectations.

Frequently asked questions

How long does it take to sell an ecommerce business?

A clean SBA-financed ecommerce sale typically closes in three to six months from listing, but 12 to 18 months is common when deals fall through. In our case, the business took 15 months and three failed buyers before we closed with buyer four. Macro conditions (interest rates, credit markets) can add six-plus months to any timeline.

Why do ecommerce business sales fall through?

The three most common reasons are financing (SBA lender changes, interest rate shocks, private-equity investment freezes), due diligence surprises, and buyer cold feet about complexity or SKU count. In our 15-month process we hit financing failures, an SBA bank acquisition, an actual medical emergency (the buyer got Lyme disease), and a buyer who decided the SKU count was too high.

Should I run multiple ecommerce brands at once or focus on one?

Focus on one until it is genuinely maxed out. Mike Jackness ran a five-brand portfolio for years and concluded that a single focused brand almost always outperforms the same operator’s diluted attention across five. The founders who hit nine-figure exits (Spencer Jan at Solo Stove is a public example) almost always ran one brand at a time.

What is an ecommerce moat and which moats still work in 2024?

An ecommerce moat is something that makes it hard for a competitor to copy your business. AI has erased the old moat of “great copy and photography” because overseas sellers can now generate the same quality at near-zero cost. The moats that still hold are intellectual property (copyrightable artwork, patents), physical manufacturing capacity, local final-assembly operations, and consumable products with real repeat purchase.

What is SBA financing and why does it matter for selling an ecommerce business?

SBA (Small Business Administration) financing lets a buyer put down as little as 10 to 15% instead of the traditional 20% and finance the rest through an SBA-backed loan. That expands your buyer pool dramatically because more individual buyers can afford your business. To qualify, you typically need a clean trailing 12-month P&L, three years of tax returns, and books that stand up to lender scrutiny.

How do you avoid commingling operations between multiple ecommerce brands?

Separate the physical workspaces, not just the legal entities. Mike’s Philippines team for the co-owned brand shared office space with his other brands’ teams, and even though every contract and cost was separate on paper, the humans talked, and HR decisions in one brand rippled into the other. If you must share a building, isolate teams by floor or wing and treat internal communication between them as a compliance issue.

What should I do if my ecommerce business deal falls through late in diligence?

Keep every diligence artifact and negotiate hard for the next buyer to reuse it. Our fourth buyer closed in days instead of months because he accepted the third buyer’s due diligence report from a reputable firm produced within the last 90 days. A good SBA banker or broker can push for that reuse and cut months out of the next attempt.

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505: The Blueprint For Building The Largest Amazon Sellers Network With Athena Severi

505: Athena Severi's Blueprint for Building the Largest Amazon Sellers Network With Titan

A networking strategy for Amazon sellers is the single fastest way to compress a decade of trial and error into a year, because sellers 10 steps ahead of you will share what worked and what did not if you approach them the right way. My guest Athena Severi built Titan Network and China Magic entirely on this thesis, and Titan is now one of the largest exclusive networks of elite Amazon sellers in the world.

I chose the opposite path. I built an audience from behind a camera and a microphone, because that suits my engineering personality. Athena’s path is harder, in my opinion, and she has scripts for the exact moves that make it work even if you feel awkward approaching people.

Here is her full networking playbook, plus what she has learned about sourcing in China, running mentorship-based masterminds, and where Amazon opportunity actually sits in 2024.

Key takeaways

  • Networking, not marketing, built Titan Network and China Magic. Athena has no podcast, no YouTube channel, and no blog.
  • The universal opener that works even for shy people: “Tell me about yourself.” It puts the conversation on the other person’s ground and they will lead with what matters to them.
  • Serve before you ask. In her first Amazon-event dinner, she asked seven-figure sellers to stand up and share what got them there. Value flowed to the guests, not to her, and the guests then came back for the next event.
  • Her first China trip took 50 people to the Canton Fair. She structured every night as a mastermind and every day with expert sellers walking newer sellers through negotiations.
  • Understanding Chinese culture (respect, business-card etiquette, long relationships) is the difference between 30/70 payment terms and 10% down / 90 days after landing.
  • Amazon in 2024 rewards real brands with real IP and differentiation, not me-too products off Alibaba. Amazon recently dropped visible review counts in some categories, which is an opportunity for new sellers.
  • She owns 14 Amazon brands and still pays her mortgage from her very first product, a yoga headband she launched about 9 years ago.

Athena Severi’s networking strategy for Amazon sellers, explained

Athena’s networking strategy for Amazon sellers is built on one rule: lead with what you can give, never what you want to get. Every event she hosts, every dinner she throws, every mentor she recruits gets structured around a mutual benefit, and the introductions and referrals follow because people actually want to be around her.

That first dinner is the template. She hosted it at an Amazon event, invited a mix of experienced sellers and newcomers, and asked anyone doing over seven figures to stand up and share what had produced their last 12 months of growth. She gave the room something the paid conference did not: unfiltered, current, in-the-trenches operator knowledge from peers.

Attendees told her afterward that the dinner beat the entire three-day conference. Not because she performed as a host, but because she put the right people in the room and got out of the way.

The one line that works even if networking terrifies you

Athena’s opening line, tested on stage with people who describe themselves as networking-phobic: “Hi, my name is Athena. Very lovely to meet you. Tell me about yourself.” That is the whole script.

The reason it works: “tell me about yourself” is a wide-open question that lets the other person choose which of their identities to lead with. Kids, business, hobby, recent trip. Whatever they say gives you three or four hooks to pick up and turn into a real conversation.

She teaches this at events and it defuses about 90% of first-encounter anxiety. If you are shy, memorize that one line and use it as your default opener at every event you attend for the next year.

How to get big Amazon sellers to help you when you are a nobody

Getting successful Amazon sellers to talk to you when you are a nobody comes down to treating them like humans rather than resources, and creating a container in which they naturally want to help. Athena’s specific move: host the dinner, and then structure it so the successful sellers get to teach.

Seven-, eight-, and nine-figure sellers are frequently lonely and are eager to talk about their work with peers, but they get burned at conferences by attendees who corner them in the hallway asking for one-on-one advice. Give them a room where they are respected and celebrated, and they will show up.

The second move is the follow-up. When a nine-figure seller she met early on told her at the airport in Los Angeles that she had a real gift for events, she took that conversation seriously and doubled down. That relationship compounded into introductions across the industry.

The mentor-recruitment secret hiding in her network

Her recruitment funnel for mentors inside Titan and China Magic is embarrassingly simple: she watches who spontaneously helps others in group settings and invites the natural helpers to become mentors. She does not recruit by seller revenue. She recruits by generosity.

That filter matters because a nine-figure seller who hides in the green room after their talk is worse for a community than a seven-figure seller who stays up until 2 a.m. helping newer sellers troubleshoot a listing. Community energy compounds; solo star energy does not.

Her leadership team at Titan is compensated and has equity in the network. She learned quickly that once mentors are dedicating serious attention, especially after their own eight-figure exits, the arrangement has to be structured. But it started as pure volunteerism because the people involved actually loved the work.

How to source from China professionally, even on your first trip

Sourcing professionally from China on your first trip means understanding that Chinese suppliers are actively evaluating you the entire time you are in their booth, and the offer you receive depends on that evaluation. Athena calls this out from experience running seven China Magic trips (soon to be eight) with up to 50 sellers at a time.

Suppliers at the Canton Fair watch buyers walk up and immediately read whether they know how to accept a business card, whether they respect the culture, and whether they are talking like a professional buyer or a first-timer looking to squeeze pennies. Buyers who show up demanding lower prices without any relationship building leave with worse terms than buyers who take the time to understand the culture.

The Chinese word she anchors on is guanxi, which translates roughly to the network of long-term reciprocal relationships that Chinese business runs on. Guanxi is not a nice-to-have. It is the operating system.

The payment terms that come from good sourcing relationships

The tangible upside of building real supplier relationships is dramatically better payment terms. Most Amazon sellers pay 30% down at order and 70% on shipment. Sellers who build guanxi properly, per Athena, can negotiate as low as 10% down and the rest 60 to 90 days after the shipment lands.

Cash-flow-wise this is transformative. Amazon inventory eats capital faster than any other part of the business, and getting to net-90 terms on the 90% back-end payment can be the difference between growing 2x and growing 4x in a year.

She is careful to note this is not typical for first meetings and not every supplier will offer it. But she has seen sellers land these terms in a first-meeting negotiation at the factory, using a full business plan and the relationship groundwork done during the visit.

Why in-person supplier visits are worth the cost

Being at the factory in person compresses product iteration timelines from months to minutes. Athena’s example: adjusting the logo placement on her yoga headband used to take two weeks of back-and-forth email per iteration, because every millimeter of change required a new sample cycle. At the factory, the same adjustment took 20 minutes.

The other upside is that suppliers who have made your category for generations often know more about the product than you do. Once they trust you, they will show you upcoming trends, cheaper materials that do not sacrifice quality, and unreleased products not yet on the market.

I confirmed this from my own experience. One of our earliest suppliers started slipping on quality after a few shipments. We flew to China, met them, had a meal and a few drinks, and quality has been perfect ever since.

Relationship, not contract, is what fixed it.

Where the Amazon opportunity actually sits in 2024

The Amazon opportunity in 2024 is in real brands with real IP and real differentiation, not in me-too products off Alibaba. That me-too era is over. Amazon still has enormous buying power, and Athena flatly rejects anyone who says “the game is over,” but the entry bar has moved up.

The playbook that works now: understand your specific customer and their language deeply, differentiate the product (packaging, positioning, feature set, IP), invest in real photography and copy, and treat PPC and margins like a pro. A three-star product with a five-star aggregate rating is no longer sustainable. You need an actually good product.

Athena and her partner Dan Ashburn are using AI inside Titan to go deeper on customer psychology and language than most sellers thought possible. That is the new edge: pro-level customer understanding, not one more spatula on the shelf.

Amazon just quietly dropped visible review counts in some categories

As of the recording of this episode, Amazon has removed visible review counts on certain category listings. Buyers now see the star rating and the recent purchase count, but not the total number of reviews. This is not universal (it varies by search and category), but where it is live, it is a real window for new sellers.

The old dynamic: a competitor with 5,000 reviews at 4.4 stars looked untouchable next to your 12 reviews at 4.9. The new dynamic: buyers see only the stars, and a well-photographed, well-copywritten new listing at 4.9 has a fighting chance against a stale incumbent.

If you have been waiting for a review-count wall to come down before launching, part of it has. Test in your category.

One case study: seven figures from a single silk pillowcase in a year

Athena shared one of her students who launched a single silk pillowcase this year and hit seven figures in revenue. Silk pillowcases are one of the most crowded categories on Amazon.

His edge was execution, not novelty. He packaged the product perfectly, spoke his specific customer’s language in the listing, and did his keyword work correctly. One product, one focused launch, run at pro level.

That is the counter-example every seller who says “Amazon is saturated” needs to hear. Saturated categories still have room for professionally launched brands that understand who they are selling to.

How to run an event that actually generates real relationships

Running an event that generates real relationships means engineering the room so networking is unavoidable and so the celebrated speakers are also the ones humans can talk to. That is what Athena did on her first cruise, a seven-day trip to the Caribbean she funded herself for a group of Amazon sellers.

She identified which people were best at PPC, product research, and other specific skills, and physically seated them at named tables. Attendees moved between tables during meals and picked up an hour of deep expertise per topic per meal. She had never seen an event structured that way in 2015; today several do the same.

The second engineering move: she personally refuses to invite speakers who run to the green room and avoid attendees. The people on stage have to have big hearts and want to help, or she does not book them.

What this looks like if you are not a natural networker

If you are not going to build your own network from scratch, join one that has already been built. Athena’s whole pitch is that Titan and China Magic exist so sellers do not have to spend eight years traveling the world to find their people.

Local Amazon meetups, Seller Summit, Titan events, China Magic trips, my own events. Any of these get you in the room with sellers 10 steps ahead of you and cut years off your learning curve. The cost of admission is dramatically less than the cost of making the mistakes those sellers already made for you.

The last thing she wants people to internalize: the most money you will ever lose in life is the money you never made because you did not put yourself in the room.

Frequently asked questions

What is the best networking strategy for Amazon sellers who hate networking?

Lead with a simple open-ended question (“Tell me about yourself”) and follow up on whatever the other person says. Athena Severi has taught this at events for years and it defuses almost all first-conversation anxiety. If you cannot bring yourself to network from scratch, join an existing community like Titan Network, Seller Summit, or a local Amazon meetup, where the curation is already done.

How do you get successful Amazon sellers to mentor you when you are a beginner?

Create a container where they get to help without being cornered one-on-one. Host a dinner, organize a group event, or bring them into a mastermind format where they teach the room. Successful sellers hate hallway ambushes but happily help when they get a stage or a table, plus a genuine follow-up.

What is guanxi and why does it matter for sourcing from China?

Guanxi is the Chinese cultural concept of long-term, reciprocal, trust-based business relationships. It is the operating system of Chinese business. Suppliers at the Canton Fair actively evaluate whether you understand the culture (business-card etiquette, respect, patience) and offer significantly better payment terms, prices, and product access to buyers who do.

What payment terms can you negotiate with Chinese suppliers?

The standard is 30% down at order and 70% on shipment. Sellers who build real relationships with suppliers can negotiate down to 10% down and the rest 60 to 90 days after the shipment lands. That level of terms is not typical on a first order, but Athena has helped sellers land it during factory visits with a full business plan and proper cultural approach.

Is Amazon still a good opportunity in 2024?

Yes, but the entry bar has risen. Me-too products from Alibaba no longer work; Amazon rewards real brands with real IP, differentiated products, and deep understanding of a specific customer. Amazon also recently dropped visible review counts in some categories, which creates a real opportunity for well-launched new listings to compete against incumbents.

How much does it cost to start selling on Amazon in 2024?

You can still launch a differentiated product for a few thousand dollars if you pick the right category and avoid over-competed niches like cell phone cases. Athena launched her first Amazon product (a yoga headband) about 9 years ago on a modest budget and still pays her mortgage from it. The bigger investment now is education and understanding of PPC, margins, and customer research, not product cost.

What is China Magic and what does the trip cover?

China Magic is Athena Severi’s 12-day sourcing trip to the Canton Fair in Guangzhou, run at least annually. Attendees stay at the Four Seasons, are shuttled to the fair by luxury bus, walk the fair with expert sourcers (including sourcers who supply the NFL, NBA, and Google), and run mastermind sessions each evening. The goal is to leave with new supplier relationships, better terms, and a differentiated product roadmap.

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